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dede_dublin

11:14 pm on Jun 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I made below changes weeks ago hoping to get more pages indexed on google but it's not working out. Indexed Pages are now all supplemental after we made these changes.

1- I created a sitemap and submitted through Google sitemap.
2- I changed all my internal relevant url's to absolute url paths.
3- I changed my parameter from?Id=346 to?property=346
4- I redirected my non www. to www. by permenant redirect 301
5- I have more back links than I had it before. (not much but still more than before.)
6- I am sure I am not doing the black hot SEO to my pages.
7- I see Unreachable URLs under sitemap Diagnostic area, but I already changed the url's more than month ago and they are not exist anymore.
8- I see URLs timed out under sitemap Diagnostic area, again those links are not exist nor in the sitemap or in our site.

any comments

Thanks

Halfdeck

6:36 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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1. Sitemaps help Google find pages it didn't already know about. As far as I know, it doesn't cause pages to turn supplemental.

2. Absolute paths - irrelevant I think.

3. "I changed my parameter from?Id=346 to?property=346"

It sounds like your site is DB-driven, which often means thin on content, identical/similar META descriptions, and various urls pulling up the same page.

Do you have meaty paragraphs on every page? How many words do you have per page NOT including anchor text and stop words?

daveVk

7:10 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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3- I changed my parameter from?Id=346 to?property=346

So G looks for previously indexed "ID" pages and what does it find? Have this been redirected or will it get "not found" or duplicate content?.

I take it all sups. are of the "Id" form? Are you seeing any "property" pages in results all?

Dave

dede_dublin

9:22 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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thanks for the input

Previously indexed "ID" pages are no longer in the site soo I am not redirecting I am guesing G would not find and drop them.

Supplementals are not all "ID" form it's even some of static pages are supplemental and some "Property" form is supplemental as well.

dede_dublin

9:31 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Maybe I should do a re-include request.
what could be the worst than all suplemental results.

glengara

9:42 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*..hoping to get more pages indexed on google..*

Linkage is usually the reason behind poor indexing..

dede_dublin

9:49 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Linkage is usually the reason behind poor indexing.. "

what you mean by linkage, links page is it?

g1smd

10:03 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Linkage: the number of incoming links to your site.

You need to check the HTTP Header Response Code for the "ID" URLs. It must be 301 or 404. Anything else will cause you a lot of problems.

dede_dublin

10:19 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi g1smd

"" You need to check the HTTP Header Response Code for the "ID" URLs. It must be 301 or 404. Anything else will cause you a lot of problems. ""

Could you please guide me how do I check and correct
HTTP Header Response Code.
thanks a lot

dede_dublin

10:20 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hi

How do I check HTTP Header Response Code and correct it, could you please guide me?

thanks a lot

glengara

11:12 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*How do I check HTTP Header Response Code*

Stick the url in a http header response checker, try G for one.

So what was the position before submitting the site-map, few pages indexed but no supplementals?

g1smd

11:19 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Try Rex Swains HTTP Header Checker or else download and try WebBug set to HTTP/1.1 instead.

Romeo

11:47 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How do I check HTTP Header Response Code

... or try the command line tools "curl" or "wget", which are available for Linux and Windoze.

Kind regards,
R.

spander

11:51 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I like this one:

[webconfs.com...]

You can also drag a bookmarklet to your toolbar, and check the headings for any page you are currently at.

sunny_kat

12:34 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Change your dynamic parameters that is?property=346 to a static url through url rewriting script.

It will make your url's static in nature and make them more Search Engine Friendly

g1smd

12:56 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A dynamic URL with a single parameter is no more or less friendly than a "static" URL.

dede_dublin

1:53 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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glengara,

"So what was the position before submitting the site-map, few pages indexed but no supplementals?"

about 20 pages were indexed.

and also

"Change your dynamic parameters that is?property=346 to a static url through url rewriting script."

Our server is windows and it's not easy as apache server to change dynamic parameters to statici url's,

How can I redirect a not existed url from my website like "ID" ones To "property"

glengara

2:00 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*.. about 20 pages were indexed.*

How many were supplemental?

dede_dublin

2:15 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There was no supplemental before, now all of them exept index page.

glengara

4:16 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*There was no supplemental before*

That's interesting DD, I've seen the site and IMO your in/out linkage could be seen as pretty low quality and not really meriting a proper indexing; that you appear to have fallen foul of the post BD linkage guidelines after submitting a Sitemap is the interesting part, IMO ;-)

dede_dublin

10:54 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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glengara I don't really get what you are trying to say, is there anything I can do to get myself out of suplemental results and have get my pages indexed?

thanks

glengara

9:04 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*..is there anything I can do to get myself out of suplemental results and have get my pages indexed?*

Plenty, drop most of your outgoing links and get some decent ones in, start with a local listing in DMOZ/Yahoo UK&Ireland and then widen out to other Irish/UK directories.
Concentrate first on getting links for indexing rather than ranking purposes, so no reciprocals or US real estate link schemes.

dede_dublin

10:48 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ok, I did clean them up.

trying to get listed with dmoz since last 11 months and no success.

Site is doing ok in Yahoo(45 listed and groving) and Msn (90 listed and groving)

should I consider reinclude request to Google, If I did what would be the negative side and what would happen to the 1080 suplemental results in [72.14.207.104...] google server.

thanks

glengara

12:28 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*..trying to get listed with dmoz since last 11 months and no success.*

The category you applied to may be a factor, did you go for a local/regional listing?

I wouldn't bother with a re-inclusion request at this stage, I don't think you've been penalised as such, just re-evaluated ;-)

dede_dublin

9:16 pm on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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get more listing from directories and just sit and wait, is that it.

glengara

12:32 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*get more listing from directories and just sit and wait, is that it.*

Since you ask, no it isn't ;-)

You need to do more work on that site as IMO "as is" it wouldn't get into DMOZ; apart from the actual listings most of the content appears simply to have been copied, and having "property" in just about every internal link looks very spammy.

While you're working on that you could apply to some of the Irish directories whose quality control is less rigorous, there's only 3/4 that give "clean" links, Niceone and Irelandonthenet are two of them.

dede_dublin

5:12 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"most of the content appears simply to have been copied"

Where did you get the idea of content been copied?

"having "property" in just about every internal link looks very spammy"

I see your point on internal links and will do some changes on them.

lorenzinho2

5:21 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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dede_dublin, I'd be careful in drawing a link between the actions that you took, and the fact that a bunch of your pages have gone supplemental.

Google made some change to how they assign supplemental status around June 17. We've had a bunch of pages go supplemental - and we had not changed anything.

dede_dublin

5:59 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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lorenzinho

I hear what you are saying and not woried about supplemental results anymore becouse there is no reason or solid relation with anything.

I am hoping changes we made to the site will bring positive impact in time.

glengara

8:44 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*Where did you get the idea of content been copied?*

From Google.

Pick any of your "country guides", pick any sentence, put it in quotes and do a search in G...

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