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Is age filter being lifted?

for my one-year old site?

         

andrewshim

3:09 pm on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Although I have been ranked in a couple of odd keyphrases since the sixth month being online, I notice that I am suddenly climbing the serps for my main keyword (a very competitive category)ever since turning one year old. I understand that we're expecting a PR update soon, so I was just wondering if what I'm experiencing is the effect of having the age filter lifted from my site or is this a normal occurance as the PR update draws nearer...?

texasville

6:04 pm on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What is your current pr?

andrewshim

10:32 pm on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i got pr1 at three months and pr2 at six months. does this mean that i got out of the sandbox after three months? I've heard people say they are "slowly" getting out of the sandbox. Does what I'm experiencing qualify as "slowly" getting out of the sandbox?

jrs_66

11:23 pm on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What's your number of Yahoo linkdomain: inbounds vs. the old Google site: inbounds?

Have you had pages removed or gone supplemental?

texasville

11:46 pm on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It could be a couple of thin gs. First, it's likely that you are coming out of the sandbox. Heck of a time for it in the middle of this broken google mess. but who knew, right?
The other thing I have noticed is pages ranking ahead of others when according to what is supposed to be rank factor is ignored. I am suspicious that semantics is being boosted in importance. I mean a lot more. It's not all the time but I see it happening occassionally.
I am just curious. Is your ranking page heavy with content?

andrewshim

2:01 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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my ranking page is the homepage. It's dynamic, mostly displaying random content and articles from my database with every reload. The navigation menu is dynamic too, displaying most recent plus most viewed content. Sort of like a blog. Yahoo! inbound links have been increasing steadily and Google inbounds have been consistent. Site is white-hat.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that what I'm seeing (probably on just a few dc's) will be permanent! When people say they're "slowly" getting out of G!'s sandbox does this mean that it's a gradual process that takes time rather than a sudden and completre release?

texasville

3:48 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah. it's kind of like blips on the horizon. Google let's you pop up high in the serps and watches the reaction of the surfers. If you get a lot of click thrus...that's bad but if you have stickiness...it becomes an elevator. All just theory.

andrewshim

6:12 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah. it's kind of like blips on the horizon. Google let's you pop up high in the serps and watches the reaction of the surfers. If you get a lot of click thrus...that's bad but if you have stickiness...it becomes an elevator. All just theory.

understand about stickiness, but why is a lot of click thrus bad?

ps : forgot to add... i'm also seing a big jump in Yahoo! ATW, AV and MSN... coincidence? Mebbe I'm just paranoid after being nowhere in G! for so long and riding Y!'s yo-yo the past 2 months.... or could it be all that hard work finally paying off?

texasville

1:40 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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click thrus mean they didn't find your site worthwhile...or perhaps took too long to load or just didn't like the colors you used..lol..
But seriously, if you are getting a big jump across all se's then you should run linkdomain:mysite on yahoo and see if you got some real quality backlinks lately. That would be the only reason I would see for big strides collectively. Usually worthwhile site are already doing well in Y and msn long before G.

Quadrille

2:02 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that what I'm seeing (probably on just a few dc's) will be permanent! When people say they're "slowly" getting out of G!'s sandbox does this mean that it's a gradual process that takes time rather than a sudden and completre release?
It varies a lot, but your position in the serps should stabilize as the best evidence that your site is listed 'normally'. With 'new' stes, it's worth keeping a spreadsheet of your position against a selection of key words/phrases; as fluctuation decreases, so you can relax.

You say the content is 'dynamic' - this can add to your problems, as it's hard for Google to relax when it sees a different page each time it visits; and hard for you to interpret the serps, while key words come and go on the page.

It's fine to have part of your main page being dynamic, but SEO will probably be easier, long term, if you build in a good proportion of constant content to support it.

andrewshim

2:42 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Usually worthwhile site are already doing well in Y and msn long before G.

I suppose you could say that... I've been in Y!'s & MSN's serps for some time now although I was bouncing around like crazy April & May.

But seriously, if you are getting a big jump across all se's then you should run linkdomain:mysite on yahoo and see if you got some real quality backlinks lately.

will do...

it's worth keeping a spreadsheet of your position against a selection of key words/phrases

was doing it all along but it was terribly upsetting seeing my chart going up,down,left & right!

You say the content is 'dynamic' - this can add to your problems, as it's hard for Google to relax when it sees a different page each time it visits; and hard for you to interpret the serps, while key words come and go on the page.

really good tip! I asked this question in this forum a while back but didn't get much feedback, so i figured i'd let it run as is and see what happens.

I update content 3 times a week. What do you think if instead of a random record at each load, I just display the latest record? Wouldn't that still be the same, except for the 2 day period between each update?

Quadrille

4:28 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That partly depends on your visitors; if you depend on regular visitors, who often only view a page or two, then something to tempt them in deeper may be vital

On the other hand, if most of your visitors are 'new' and brought by SEs, then you don't need a random page; they won't get the benefit, and anyway, the 'latest' is probably best to show to new visitors?

But if you add more to the front page - perhaps descriptions as well as section links, then the dynamic bit will be a smaller proportion of the page, and the change will not affect your listings as much, if at all.

andrewshim

11:15 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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already started working on more static content to place on the front page to sort of balance out the dynamic stuff... tks for the help!

andrewshim

5:21 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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UPDATE : Keying in my domain name (minus www. & .com) I used to get 9xx listings. Overnight, it's suddenly jumped to 3,000 +.

Is this anything to worry about?

The only difference is that lately I've been more active in numerous forums (reputable) that allow users signature url. Could this make such a massive difference?

Quadrille

8:11 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Pretty unlikely, I'd say; just monitor the serps that your visitors will use, see how stable they are.

And give it time :)

andrewshim

10:37 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just updated my site with more static content to balance out the dynamic parts. Just wondering how long before G! picks this up?

Quadrille

11:10 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No way to tell, specially with newer sites.

Remember that the SERPS are relative, so any significant changes are unlikely to show until after a cycle of spidering; not after Google spiders just your site.

andrewshim

1:10 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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yep... understood... what i meant was...
what's the average spider cycle? 1 month? 3 months?

Quadrille

7:21 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Patience!

Again, no way to know. Google has it's own logic, and it will depend on how frequently your site gets spidered, how frequently your competitor sites get spidered, who Google considers to be relevant, who google considers to be an authority site, and probably 134 factors I don't know about.

Google is waaay too sophisticated to have anything standard and predictable.

You'll just hve to wait and see. Really ;)

Lorel

4:21 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I usually watch for search engines that Google feeds like Earthlink, Comcast, AOL, etc. as a sign that Google is going to release a site from the sandbox. They come first--then Google. Until then Google only provides site name or domain searches or very low ranking terms not related to your main keywords.

GoWFB_SEO

7:34 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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from what you described, it is likely that you just got out of the sand box, I have a site that is about 4 months old, still waiting.

andrewshim

10:35 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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LOL!

Yeah I know... I was just fishing for mebbe some unknown nugget of wisdom from you very clever guys! I've been waiting for a year and to finally see my site moving is a thrill.

I add content every alternate day and G! spiders everyday. I submitted a Google Sitemap about 3 weeks ago that may have trigerred all this activity. I guess I got to remind myself.."down boy... downnnnn"