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Looking for some direction/help here.
My site is completey out of the google index except for the www.sitename.com/
The site has some history, ie went suplimental due to the www non-www problem.
I did a 301 six months ago and since then have seen the number of pages in the index drop gradually to Zero.
Zero pages now for about two months. Site retains PR5 but all internal pages are PR0. This is a clean site. Travel site, all original content and Just one affiliate page for car hire as adsense did not produce good results for the user on that page. The site was first registered in 1998.
I have tried,
1)Sitemaps
2)permenant redirect to sort the non-www problem tha cased the suppimental
3)Deep linked like crazy for about six months
4)New pages
5)Changed hosting company.
What alse can I do? my other sites seem fine and this is a clean site
Any suggestions?
[edited by: tedster at 5:04 pm (utc) on June 14, 2006]
Should I take this as a formal penalization of the site then?
OK specifically about 30 deep inbound links...
So, again, is the loss of pages/ lack of indexed pages a sign of a penalty?
The site has some history, ie went suplimental due to the www non-www problem.I did a 301 six months ago and since then have seen the number of pages in the index drop gradually to Zero.
Have you tried the site command without the www in it? I see similar results to what you stated with a site I manage that had 301 set up last Feb--the site command with the www shows only the home page. the one without the www shows most of the pages (except for the leaking pages syndrome). I have read elsewhere on this forum that Google is slow to recognize the 301, sometimes taking 6 months to get it right and that may have something to do with it.
"Have I tried site without the WWW"?"
Almost every day for the last six months on MCDAR etc, sad I know...
In fact I do see one solitary page lurking under the non-www in the index still when I try site command without the www. No idea why its there, I guess Google just has not got around to er.. loosing it yet!
So what to do, keep waiting to see if goog comes around.
Jeez,.. if it was a new site it would have been indexed faster than this.
It do not believe it to be intentional on the part of Goog but it has all the symptoms of a ban/penalty.
Increasingly frustrated/disapointed with Google these days. :(
I just cant believe it! How dire is this new infastructure
One of our sites got hit originally with this issue. 301 is set up. All in order.
Then today i notice a few more pages that were fine last week on google as www. are now showing lower down in the serps without the www. ie minus the page rank.
So the bot has obviously gone in again and somehow listing pages without the www. prefix - what a pile of junk
Is the cache of those non-www pages very recent, or nearly a year old? I suspect they will be old.
No they are not supplemental and data centre results from only a week or so ago were showing the page in a higher position with a more recent cashed date so i just dont get it
The cached pages are dated beginning May.
There is no reason that they got zero page rank. most of the pages in that sites have Page rank 6.
The site is still ranking fine.
I had a few href tags that were not closed properly and a few using <A instead of <a
Page counts started dropping on june 2, losing more pages every day. Had been slowly recovering until then. Not good.
I'm wondering if they've still got a bug and we're only seeing some kind of manual intervention until they've really fixed this problem. I'm getting deep spidering, but the count is slowly dropping again.
Pre BD I showed a little over 600 pages, but in there was a useless bunch of around 80 pages that I finally deleted and another 100 of excellent pages missing. Then I showed 502 pages where all the junk was gone and all the good pages were up. Now, I mean since 2-3 days I show 424 pages and I'm too lazy to check which ones are missing.
On other sites I am seeing many cached pages missing from the results though so there must be something in process I guess
I would be amazed if this is not the case.
Obv. Google are not going to admit to the problem - but it is pretty clear they have a huge issue at the moment.
The amount of posts on the Sitemaps blog of "Only showing index page etc" is huge.
And these are for well established sites with good strong inbound links which are not getting indexed deeper than the homepage - let alone 3 levels deep.
In March - May 2005
a.) Redirected non-www to www via 301
b.) Added a Base tag to every page
c.) Changed most addresses to Absolute URL's
Has anyone made these sort of changes, without losing pages?
I keep having this nightmare that Google have dropped many of the "real" pages, while holding on to all the phantom url's that is has accumulated over the years, but don't really exist.
Those steps are exactly what I have done for my site
plus the other thngs I mentioned in a previous post.
The above steps (or something more sinister) has killed my site stone dead.
Today I removed the 301.
OK I know its not logical, but I think it is more than just remotely possible that Google is not handling 301's correctly.
<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^www\.sitehere\.com [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*) [sitehere.com...] [L,R=301]
</IfModule>
I used
<base href="http://www.domain.com/folder-one/" />
whereas it should have been
<base href="http://www.domain.com/folder-two/" />
Everything still worked ok because absolute URL's meant pages would load for visitors - but perhaps Big Daddies Googlebot follows the incorrect Base tag to a folder it has already visited.
This could be an issue. I had this one every page as well on one of my sites and all it seemed to cause was problems. When I removed it, it did seem the pages got indexed again.
I cannot say with certainly this will remedy your issue, but try using base href only on your most popular pages and leave the sub content pages two weeks without and see what indexing changes occuur.
There are just a couple of Supplemental Results for pages that have recently been deleted (within last year), but they don't cause any problems.
Site originally had duplicate content on 2 domains. The other domain (that has had a 301 redirect in place for a year) still shows 60 Supplemental Results, and has done all along. Those do not cause any problems as the redirect feeds visitors through to the correct site.
