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Larry Page sets out his Vision

For all those who can't get enough of Google

     
10:19 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)



On UK's Channel4

The answer - artificial intelligence - with search engines so powerful they would understand "everything in the world". It's the dream of Larry Page - one of Google's founders and now a multi-billionaire.

[channel4.com...]

I found this worth going through. Interesting to see the Google "heads of state" in a Q&A session.

11:50 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well, I only have a PhD in mathematical statistical modelling and read AI books only as a weirdo hobby, but my assessment is that this is definitely a dream.

Somehow on par with Stephen Hawkings claim he would find the formula for everything etc..

The problem with everything is that everything is everything and then you need some superior power to understand everything and since we live in the a 4 dimensional universe, until you calculated everything in 3D, 4D has changed
.. Well maybe Google God is been rolled out, who knows .. :)

12:32 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When larry and his cronies cannot figure that when domains like openfamily.org and parenthoodcouncil.com start ranking for pron keywords that there might be something wrong..when all that is needed is not arificial intelligence but some good old real commonsense to clean up their serps, then Larry is off with the fairies.
12:38 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Visionaries smoke something much more powerful than mere mortals ever get ;)
12:41 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When larry and his cronies cannot figure that when domains like openfamily.org and parenthoodcouncil.com start ranking for pron keywords that there might be something wrong..

That's just trust "spam" rank being put into action.

12:48 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well to be fair if you listen to the whole thing [Listen to whole Q&A], I haven't even heard this claim.

The section in the report which mentions it, is a bit out of context.
I think he was asked for the ideal SE.

1:14 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I didn't even go the link because from reading this thread my little computer upstairs says that I can "search" out the difference between PR and an honest "sharing" of vision.
1:15 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Amazon jumped the shark when Bezos started talking jibberish like this.
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I thought Page was AI.
2:46 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's not the first time Larry Page has said some wacked out yet scary things:

Google founder dreams of Google implant in your brain [theregister.co.uk]

3:08 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You think of something and you could have your cellphone whisper it into your ear? Is that even serious? Thanks for the link, that will teach me to never believe anything the Google founders say. I mean, first of all, who would agree to have a brain implant of some... chip or whatever?
3:19 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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AI is also the future of spam.
3:50 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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t's not the first time Larry Page has said some wacked out yet scary things.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw

Hehe...People other people view as normal rarely ever achieve great things.

4:24 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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People other people view as normal rarely ever achieve great things.

I agree that unusual views make great people, but what worries me is that Larry Page seems to have a very idealistic view of the world. What worries me is that they could do this and never see the bad side of what they do, or as in the case of privacy issues, safety and search engines that catalog EVERYTHING, the damage is seen as "acceptable losses".

It's kind of like splitting the atom. Einstein came up with the theory of relativity (instramental in the creation of the atom bomb) thinking unlimited energy not weapons of mass destruction. Someone else took his idealistic idea and made it into something darker.

Genius is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. Geniuses really need to think hard before creating what they imagine to be eutopias and yet they rarely do.

who would agree to have a brain implant of some... chip or whatever

I don't know. 50 years ago they would have asked who would want to sit in front of a box with moving pictures for hours on end or who would want to be tied to a phone 24/7.
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Genius is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. Geniuses really need to think hard before creating what they imagine to be eutopias and yet they rarely do.

I think the genius was the investor at the time. The backlinking idea was out before.

4:42 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)



Well to be fair if you listen to the whole thing [Listen to whole Q&A], I haven't even heard this claim.

That's right. The snippet off the Channel 4 site is not really in context. Need to actually sit through the Q&A video to really get some inkling into what is happening in the Google nerve centre.

4:48 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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of course they could redefine "everything"

"everything is what Sergey says is everything."

like the evil thing.

I think this is why you see Eric chaperoning the boys in public settings, they really do say some weird things.

5:28 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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they really do say some weird things.

There really is a fine line between genius and what other people view as insanity. Personally, I really admire people like Sergey and Larry.

Really smart people often do and say things that are unconventional because they think for themselves and are not heavily influenced by conventional wisdom or by what others do and say.

Ideas like the earth moving around the sun, microscopic germs causing diseases, the earth being round, and people building flying machines were all ridiculed initially by the current "experts" of the day.

12:19 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This does sound a bit looney tooney tbh. The vision that they had was to make it easier to find information on the net.

Has it really changed into we want a monster that understands it all?

Well imo they should get down and read the book where the answer really lies. What was the question again? 21 x 2 = .. ah yes

2:10 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah and I read in Investor'Business Daily yesterday Larry predicted that Google's growth rate of advertising revenues were unsubstainable and close to the point of diminishing returns.

Could this be one of those "time to go back to the drawing board" and create plan "B"?

2:41 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The problem with everything is that everything is everything and then you need some superior power to understand everything

Ah, Godel's theorem restated... Or, no system can contain its own definition.

Unless one subscribes to some chaos theorists who would suggest that the whole can absolutely be greater than the sum of its parts. Will AI arise spontaneously out of a complex system? If so, will we recognize it as such?

I rather like the analogy of an ant colony being a sentient being...

WBF

4:37 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I would love to see Larry working more with the current problems people are facing with the latest update where Google has ended up with having bugs and site:operator isn't working.

Even Matt is on Vacation - looks somethings weird to me now.
7:08 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes, Goedel is the key here. Any formal system based on the principia mathematica is either complete or consistent.

Now we have the answer: google is aiming at completeness. So why are all you guys complaining about inconsitencies in BigDaddy's search results?

9:36 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Like the old Hollywood stars who had a life created for them by the studios, and who then began to believe in their own myths, maybe there's something here about losing touch with reality.
I'd argue that the likes of Bill Gates & Richard Branson have maintained a much more grounded presence in the world than some other entrepreneurs manage to do. Who knows where such fame and wealth will take Larry and Sergey?
But if you consider that the spirit of the company must derive from the spirit of the founders....one has to wonder what happens next. Google's evolution will be an interesting journey, and those who wish for stasis or even mere stability are likely to be dragged kicking and screaming in a direction they don't want to go.
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11:07 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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with search engines so powerful they would understand "everything in the world"

Yeah, I've always loved science fiction too... how about they try and get their search engine to index and rank sites properly first.

Google has become an enormous self promotional pr stunt.

11:29 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google was criticzed in the second most read blog in the world. In part " Why Google Will Eventually Stumble - Here is a classic example of why I think Google as a company will ultimately stumble, or at least need adult management one day."

[edited by: jatar_k at 3:36 pm (utc) on May 25, 2006]
[edit reason] no links thanks [/edit]

11:55 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One of the cricisms in this blog is that G gives automated answers, well so does Yahoo etc. Pointless answers leading nowhere.

I think one should not go down the route and follow the illusion that the other SE are that much better in the long run.

6:05 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)



G$$gle sends out 2 cute boys out again? Everyone recites what thay have to say? :) Clever, those money grubbing monsters are clever! They will laugh at this discussion in their fancy cars and fat bank accounts...completeness and everything...all they aim for is completeness of the bank account.

Game is called "Distract the prey" (prey being website owners). Nothing more than a PR move.

9:05 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Like most digital ueber geeks, Larry seems to confuse the ability to do analysis on varying digital data types with reality. Google can't understand a thing outside of the data flows occuring within its processors and ram and data channels. To confuse that highly limited process with an ability to comprehed reality is far more than sad, it's downright depressing. And typical in the digital world, especially among the elite, who I guess just spent too much time as teenagers in front of their monitors to ever learn the difference.
10:18 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One very good thing was accomplished by their rambling. This very entertaining thread. Thanks for the laughs.
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