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3:39 am on Apr 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just to see my site has a PR 7 now, yesterday is only 2.

PR update start?

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I have also noticed the change in the internal page rankings. my website home page rank is 1 and internal page rank is 3. Its a good update. But will be thankful if anyone can tell how its happening.

Datacenter IP address is: 66.102.7.104

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People still talk about page rank?

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>>People still talk about page rank?

Why shouldnt they.

WebmasterWorld is a great place but one of the most spread untruths here is that Page Rank does not matter.

MC has said twice in recent weeks that depth of crawl is dependent on page rank for a start.

selomelo

There is new PR out there - perhaps the injection comment is about true... but Google seemed to have completely rolled out the Feb 18th PR update while adding new PR to some pages which had PR0.

This has resulted in some sites have higher internal PR than homepages - which I dont know is a good thing as I am hoping that PR ordering structure might sort out the site ordering structure which is supposed to be part of the canonical fix. Eg: site:domain.com showing homepage first etc - but obv. with internal pages have higher PR than home in some cases then who knows.

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I do not think this is a PR update at all ... but if it is, I think there are a lot of changes still to come. In a previous thread not very long ago (I don't remember which one) everyone was going on about a PR update. I think this is just a short term Google glitch.

I do not have a Google toolbar because I use a Mac, but I can see, "Find web pages that link to www.mysite.com." Google usually shows 50 to 58 links.

ON 66.102.7.104 (and others) Google is showing about 120 links from a competitor who I think is cloaking (because I can't find the links anywhere in the source code) but I can only assume he is trying to torpedo my site. (Maybe he hasn't heard that redirects are no longer effective). Anyway, I am being credited with those links.

These links began to appear about a month ago and pop in and out of "Find web pages that link to www.mysite.com."

So ... my guess is that this is NOT an update. Give it a few weeks yet. I think this is all still part of the Big Daddy Boogy. Things are still being shuffled about.

In the meantime, I'd like to thank my competitor for the boost in link pop! ;)

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>>> People still talk about page rank?

Matt Cutts said himself that PR remains very important because it determines how deep your site will be crawled by Google.

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Cant understand why some people are not seeing that an update of sorts has occured.

MC blog entry of the 13th March:-

[mattcutts.com...]

PR is showing 6 on a number of DCs.

Entry of 15th March

[mattcutts.com...]

PR is showing 0 on all DCs.

A PR export of about 14th March has been done for some pages.

Liane - I agree that there is more changes to come (hopefully on ranking/fixing of Canonical sites :) ) - but a PR export has been done for some pages.

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Dayo_UK:

The PR discrepancy observed in some cases between the homepage and internal pages is a puzzle for me too, since a similar situation exists for my site also.

My main page has a toolbar PR5 (<rk> was 6). And all internal pages that the main page points to have a PR5 also! My site has no canonical problems at all (noticed it early last year, implemented a 301 in April 2005).
And, all incoming links point to the homepage only: At least 20 links with a PR6, some 200 with a PR5 (well, these are a site-run, so Google may not count them).
I have the suspicion that somehow it might be related to the calculation of PR also.

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one of the most spread untruths here is that Page Rank does not matter.

I believe this stems from users mistaking ToolBar PR with the "real thing" (being the up to date accurate version that G have in their database and which we don't see for several months, and then only in rounded down form).

MC has said twice in recent weeks that depth of crawl is dependent on page rank for a start.

This has been discussed and known for many years, but again it's riddled with misunderstanding. Google PR is based on pages not domains. Crawl depth from a particular page is influenced by the PageRank of that page.

Every single page that contains links leading to pages not linked to from anywhere else is a "top level" page relative to the pages it links to. Deep links to those "top-level" but not root pages may not necessarily affect the ToolBar PR that you see when you visit

http://www.rootdomain.com/
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Depending on your navigation structure and how the site is linked to from other sources (specifically deep links), it's quite possible to have a 100,000 page website, each page showing a ToolBar PageRank of 1 (or even 0 which can be "something less than 1"), yet every single page is crawled and in googles index.

For depth of crawl purposes it's far more important to simply concentrate on getting links in from authority pages which are themselves present in Googles index and as deep into your sub-pages as possible. Equally important is a good navigation structure, ensuring that googlebot has an easy means of crawling around all pages on your domain (site maps are good).

You can safely leave worrying about the actual PageRank figure to Google - they have the real numbers. ToolBar PR is a bit of fun but of seriously limited real-world use (other than for selling links to people who view it as a pot of gold).

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12:12 pm on Apr 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The guys at Google are brilliant. Make PR on the toolbar lag really bad and people will think it doesn't work anymore.
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I see backlink updates on many DC's. Pagerank updates in the toolbar for pages which had no PR prior... Any pages which had PR remain the same. Not done yet...
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I'm new at WebmasterWorld.

Site (targeted regional review blog updated every two-three days) started late Feb.

PR0 went to PR4 this morning, and a few (4) backlinks identified. Internal pages mainly PR2. Been getting decent search results on my keywords for about 3-4 weeks.

I've done a little SEO and sunmission (15 engines) and about 20 directories, not all of which are through the process yet. Visits per day currently 90-100 including all robots.

I am now slightly sceptical about Google pagerank. But, hey, it's all a merry go round, and I think I won this time.

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My home page which has been pr4 for a couple of years is now pr5. Interior pages may be a little weaker.
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I have noticed a very important improvement in the PR of my newest web (3-months-old) and no changes at all in the oldest ones.
By the way: welcome Julian
Regards,

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1:08 pm on Apr 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i think the visible pr update is just a reflection of the mozilla created bd index. In other words its a mess. I wouldnt be looking for the logic behind the huge number of anomolies. Perhaps its a shock to google too.
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My new site (3 weeks) went from PR0 to PR4.
Addresses of inner pages were changed recently, so they are still 0.
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The homepage of my main commercial Web site went from PageRank 4 to 5. The inner pages (newly built in early February 2006) went from PageRank 0 to 2, 3, and 4 depending on how deep they are in the site.

It's definitely a PageRank update for my Web sites.

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At last check, my main site is still at PR2. What led me to this thread was when I did a check just now, I discovered my backlinks went from a measly 18 to 67. Technically speaking does that mean my PR will also go up?
2:07 pm on Apr 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing a BL update as well on my sites
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backlinks on google doubled for me but PR has yet to change.

Question? Is PR complete or is there still updating yet to come?

Doesn't make sense to have your backlinks double and PR the same.

Any Ideas?

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inner pages' PR higher then homepage's PR happen on a really new site.

I have a new site built in January 2005. Homepage is now showing PR2 and inner pages are PR4.

Based on experience I was expecting the home page to be a PR4.

And yeah PR matters, now I can start looking for new link partners. Most people don't want to bother with a site that doesn't show PR.

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It looks like just a big glitch. everything seems to be back to normal.

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"...backlinks on google doubled for me but PR has yet to change...."

=> Having your backlinks double has no bearing on whether your PR will change...it only matters in how Google views your new backlinks (how fast they were acquired and what is the average acquistion rate in your sector)...too fast and a damper will be thrown on the value of those new links

Question? Is PR complete or is there still updating yet to come?
=> With all the other problem and bugs Google has been experiencing of late....the PR update may not go as planned either

Doesn't make sense to have your backlinks double and PR the same.

=> It depends on the value that Google assigns to your new backlinks...many of them may simply not have the correct value...and what is the state of the page where any of these new backlinks originate from? Has this page been devalued along the way....subsequently devaluing the inbound link to your page...many factors at work here..(my take is "rate of acquisition" is very important in all of this..)

If, in your sector(s), the leaders who have a stable history of ranking are acquiring 10 new inbounds per month "organically" and then your site suddenly shows double, triple or whatever that rate...this may trip a dampening filter on your inbound link..

ON THE OTHER HAND: The PR update simply hasn't registered yet through the Google Toolbar...this can take some time to populate...and even then it is never accurate anyways...

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Must have spoke too soon. Some of my sites that are just 2 months old are showing pr5. just doesn't make any sense, not that i'm complaining.

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>>>The PR update simply hasn't registered yet through the Google Toolbar.

Huh? Depends on which DC the toolbar is getting data from obv.

>>>just doesn't make any sense, not that i'm complaining.

Hmmz - I think you are just checking on your toolbar and are hitting different dcs.

The PR update is pretty stable on about 4/5th of the DCs.

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I just check all 80 datacenters using livepr and finally all the datacenters are showing the same PR for my internal new pages. So for me, the PR update that started on Feb 18, but never completed is finally done.
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My site
http://www.example.com/
still has PR of zero, but if you look at a subpage like
http://www.example.com/widgets-and-fidgets/
it has PR of 4. Google also refuses to index the home page! Any ideas fellow webmasters? Thanks!

[edited by: trillianjedi at 4:08 pm (utc) on April 5, 2006]
[edit reason] Examplifying... [/edit]

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Hope Matt Cutts will tell us more about this update ...
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It looks like only sites that had a PR 0 are geting an update!

I agree. After checking a lot of sites, this seems to me the best explanation for such a strange PR update.

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strange as hell. My index is the only page that has PR all over the Dcs.

Is this update finished for everyone else?

4:34 pm on Apr 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When one reads on the various forums comments like 'my one month old site went from PR0 to PR6', this can only be seen as a glitch.

If PR is based on quality inbound links, which have to be earnt over a period of time [not one month], then there is an obvious problem at Google, or else they know what they are doing, and things will settle back down.

On this basis, it probably is best not to count chickens before they are hatched!....and see if this sticks over the coming days.

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