Framed Sites Displaying Other Ones

Does Google Understand It?

[luvdavy]

I wonder if anyone has a definate answer about this.

If a framed website pulls in my website and displays it...like 10 or more pages, is there any change the SE's will consider it duplicate content, or do they understand that the framed site is the one in the wrong, and penalize them? Or does it matter?

We're in real estate, and this is one of the agents that has an Advanced Access site. He's new, and I hate to have to get mean and make him remove everything unless I have to. Has Matt or Google Guy ever addressed this?

Thanks in advance...

Jan

[tedster]

Framed content is not part of the parent site's url, it remains on its own url at it's own domain. Therefore, there is no duplicate content issue. A search engine algorithm is looking at the on-page factors through a url-by-url analysis, and not by taking in the entire end user's display of a "page".

"Page" and "site" are both rather fuzzy natural language concepts that we often use for the purposes of easy discussion, but they are not really technically pinned down. We sort-of-know what we mean, but for precise technical purposes, definitions fail to line up with our intuitive sense in various situations -- like frames as one good example.

[luvdavy]

Thanks for telling me this. Although I'm not crazy about the boy doing this, I'll let him be...:-)

This forum is just the best.

Jan

[bobmark]

While I respect your superior knowledge, tedster, what about stolen pages appearing in frames with urls like:

[thief.com...]

I had a huge problem with this type of theft off the fake search engines until I went with a blocking script. At one point 9 out of the first 10 listings for allinurl:aaa.widgets.com were stolen content in frames.

As I got PR0'd during this period, it seems hard to accept it had no effect.

[Sobriquet]

i use a frame buster script in my header area to combat these guys.

[luvdavy]

I was using that script too...but I do PRWeb press releases all the time, and they are capturing your website in a frame at the bottom of the press release now. If you have that on there, your press release automatically forwards to your website as a redirect.
I didn't find that out for awhile and lost a couple of press releases in Google and Yahoo because of it.
So I had to take it off.

Jan

[tedster]

bobmark, I just got back to this thread, and yes, I can see how that kind of framing might tangle up a search engine. ludavy's opening post seemed to be about a more vanilla type of framing. What you are talking about looks like a flavor of hijack attempt.

You said the page showed in an allinurl search -- was it also affecting your regular search traffic?

[tbear]

Is there a way to bust out of frames but allow framing by certain sites?

[bobmark]

yet, tedster.

I actually was caught a bit unaware by an increase in site popularity AND the growth of Google adwords so one site got heavily targeted by "url in frames" sites whose sole purpose was to steal content for traffic and generate Google advertising clicks.

Its kind of a parasitic process. First they steal your page and put it in a frame with a url like [thief.dom?site=widgets.com...] and it has little effect in SERPs as they are quite far down and you don't even notice. Howvever, once Google starts crawling those links and identifying them with your original site, you can find yourself PR0'd very quickly which can put the stolen page sites ahead of you in SERPs. I reported a ton of them to Google and have seen some disappear (tho they keep returning briefly as Google routs searches to the ancient BD index). In all but one case (which I identified as a competitor) they simply moved on once I began blocking and feeding their frames a very insulting page explaining what a bunch of worthless thieves they were).

I think from the thieves point of view, they just want content - any content - to fill up pages and get traffic in hopes of Ad Sense clicks; destroying your site is just a side effect :) I DID find a competitor who used the technique against me (and I would assume other sites in my category) to improve his ranking (basically setting up a number of free or temporary cheap hosted sites and targeting sites in his category and country for theft).