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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-02-06

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10:07 am on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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has anyone noticed when on Big Daddy DC you do a site: command on your site it brings back a number.

Ok now refresh countless times and you will notice it flips to another number.

My site is currently switching between 850 pages and 420,000!

Any ideas anyone?

[edited by: tedster at 10:41 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]

11:19 am on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK
"I would hate to guess how long this process may take."
it took only a week since i put a 301 .htaccess and both BD and non BD got it,so if i search [mysite.com...] comes www.mysite.com.But that has not resolve the canicalisation problem ,still the index come 2nd for a search site:www.mysite.com
11:25 am on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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aldo

Cleanups situation is slightly different because the page he is redirecting to does not exist in the index.

With ref to the ranking problems that occured due to canonilization issues - little (if any) progress has been made in that area from what I can tell.

11:31 am on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"With ref to the ranking problems that occured due to canonilization issues "
I know :(
12:03 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I implemented my 301 from non-www - www in october, and still it only is effective on one DC 64.233.179.104.

I'm estimating another 7 or 8 months before things are 'completed' (though I realise they never will be if the SE is always in flux).

12:08 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[72.14.207.104...]

Is the FIRST change I have seen on a keyword since December 27th.

Went from ranking #2 historically to 9999, and that dc has be in the top 10 again. So far this is the most promising DC I have seent so far...

1:59 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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300m:
[72.14.207.104...]

Is the FIRST change I have seen on a keyword since December 27th.

Went from ranking #2 historically to 9999, and that dc has be in the top 10 again. So far this is the most promising DC I have seent so far...

Hopefully this is a good sign for everyone's sites that got hit Dec 27th...

2:02 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I hope so too, but its not stable at all, bounces between 8 and 20. Maybe they are playing with some filters today?
2:17 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[72.14.207.104...] is my default DC so I watch it closely. The last few days it has been displaying about three different versions of SERPs. One version I like, the others I don't.

Yesterday, for the most part it was displaying a whole new set of pre-Dec 27 SERPs (which I like) now, for my keywords, it is back to the same old SERPs.

7:03 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yesterdays results were also the best i've seen since the 27th, they did however include a lot of new pages so I don't think it was old SERPS.

Today its stuck on the non BD results, the BD data centres seem to provide SERPS closer to what was live on .co.uk yesterday although they lack the UK weighting.

Can't wait for BD to arrive for real....

1:18 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Seeing much more traffic over the last 48 hours.

Is anyone having an increase in traffic as we have over the last 48 hours from Google?

We have noticed an increase from Google at the following web-address: [72.14.207.104...]

Is this just an isolated incident for our two websites or the beginning of an Upd--e, I dare not say it.:)

8:19 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Traffic on our main site rises every now and then by 25%. When checking our local google during this rise I can see another dataset.
8:22 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Each time I check that DC it seems like these are not BD results but the old ones...with missing homepages for example.
The index count is 9.6 billions, so no big daddy there.
8:23 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[72.14.207.104...] - this DC returns pretty good results as far as relevancy is concerned.
in the niche I am watching, it is way better than Big Daddy DCs.
9:33 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My site got PR0'd in jagger and dropped from top 10 (3+ years) to functionally non-existent in SERPS (multi-hundreds).

I have deleted a lot of pages via Removal Tool, done re-design and implemented a blocker as I had a lot of content theft problems.

At the moment (fingers crossed, salt over shoulder) I am back in top 10 for competitive terms (from somewhere near 1,000) but still showing PR0 on both Google toolbar and Firefox tool.

Sure hope this lasts. My understanding is PR as shown in Googlebar, etc. tends to change after any update so my PR may return (or in fact has returned but isn't showing yet).

Am I right in thinking this?

10:47 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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However good the results are for you at [72.14.207.104...] or any other default DC its worth remembering that Big Daddy IS coming soon to every data centre including the above.

Better get used to it :)

11:47 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yea thanks for ruining my day Ellio

Bek.

12:34 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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DC watching is not my forte, but I have a site that has received more and more traffic, week day to weekday, for the past 3 and a half weeks. I figured it must be a result of BD rolling out.

Today for the first time in 3 and a half weeks traffic is down slightly. Is there any indication that Big Daddy results are being used less today than yesterday?

3:16 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm having a steady increase in traffic since Friday. Just standard Google search shows my site way up on major keywords.
Me likey my Big Daddy, me likey him a lot.
4:47 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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me too, gefilte :)

The results I am seeing are on BD. Makes me a bit nervous tho as it seems almost too good to be true (like somewhere near 1000 since jagger to #3 now - tho I used to be up there in top 5).

Fingers crossed, salt over the shoulder :)

5:57 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I would agree there as well. A massive increase of traffic for me is corresponding to two sites pulling out of abysmal ranking to their former positions.

Sure hope this lasts. My understanding is PR as shown in Googlebar, etc. tends to change after any update so my PR may return (or in fact has returned but isn't showing yet).

Am I right in thinking this?

If your site seems to be returning to previous positions in the BD resultset, it might be possible that internal pr has been recalculated for your site etc.

However, as Dayo has pointed out, it is difficult to presume that any rank on BD is rank calculated with internal pr.

8:13 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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BigDaddy and Duplicate Contents

Good morning Folks

First off, if you are not used to drink Danish brand Cappuccino, you are missing the most important part of the required energy for proper Watching Google Datacenters :-)

I wish to ask if you have noticed BigDaddy hitting hard on duplicate contents.

Wish you all a great day.

8:28 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good morning reseller. I hope your website is secure, for I read the Danish sites being targeted due to the unfortunate events following the cartoons of the Prophet.
8:37 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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reseller, BigDaddy has big relevancy problems.
it supports large sites, even if they are all auto-created.
who would care about duplicate content issues then?
8:38 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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McMohan

Good morning to you too, McMohan.

Both my main site and my other mini/testing sites have survived until now. But I have already made a backup, in case ;-)

11:10 am on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good point Ellio, but you should also remember that just a few days before Big Daddy was popping on and out of Data Centers, some of us witnessed a data refresh that was not part of big daddy. With that being said, those results may actually have a bigger role than you might think. :P
3:18 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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For those of you who have commented on PR, Matt has this to say, on his blog:

No idea when the next toolbar PageRank update is. Iím guessing that the Bigdaddy changes might cause the PageRank update to come later.
6:03 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, Eazygoin.

As to duplicate content mentioned by others...
To the best of my knowledge (guess) the problem I had with jagger was dup. content related (a combination of major content theft to the point that 9 of the 10 spots for the site in an allinurl search were showing stolen content on other sites plus a poor print page implementation).

I solved the dup content problems (I hope!) which may be why the site appears (at the moment, fingers crossed) to be recovering. Of course that raises the issue did I solve the problems or does this ... what? reshuffle, abberation? new algo? just focuc less on dup. content.

7:39 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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base href
7:54 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Base tag pointing to www, and 301 redirect to redirect all non-www accesses to www. Internal linking all pointing to www too.
8:14 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Pete_J
I had a huge problem with it including entire pages appearing in other site's frames.

In addition to the steps mentioned above, I installed a php blocking script that denies content to (your selection) specific ip addresses, referrers, user agents.

In addition to working, there was satisfaction in seeing these sites suddenly displaying my custom denial page informing visitors that they were viewing stolen content and that they would be insane to purchase any service or even click on a link on the site they were currently viewing.

I also reported all content thieves to Google.

I don't think I can post a url here but blocking scripts are easy to find via search and easy to install. Mine is free and very good in my opinion.

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