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has anyone noticed when on Big Daddy DC you do a site: command on your site it brings back a number.
Ok now refresh countless times and you will notice it flips to another number.
My site is currently switching between 850 pages and 420,000!
Any ideas anyone?
[edited by: tedster at 10:41 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]
Best wishes to all
Col :-)
Matt "Inigo" Cutts has been very active lately in replying to several comments posted on his blog.
Don't know whether you have noticed Matt's comment of yesterday regrding the expected PR update in relation to BigDaddy:
"Ben, I don’t know and it wouldn’t matter. No idea when the next toolbar PageRank update is. I’m guessing that the Bigdaddy changes might cause the PageRank update to come later."
[mattcutts.com...]
Good night and God bless.
Just seen the same at AOL with BD feeding it. I have to say i was amazed how good it was!
Not used the AOL search before as i thought it was EXACTLY the same as Google.
For "UK only" search results, has it always just been .co.uk sites only without any .coms showing unless you use the "whole of the web" search?, or is that a new thing?
I think it has always been that way, but I'm not completely positive.
I will make around 10 times what I was making when this thing goes live.
I will make around 10 times what I was making when this thing goes live.
Whatever's coming will be more of the pleasing some, killing others Google we have come to know and love.
Unfortunately more traffic doesn't always bring proportionate rewards. Sometimes it just brings spammers looking to see how they can steal your position and a lot of wasted bandwidth.
After I got wiped out in June last year, I did a complete rewrite and had a good cleanout of old pages that I'd never dared to delete. I now have just 300 pages and about 10% of bandwidth usage ... but the income is up on the previous year.
Sometimes it does pay to clean up your act and comply with the system. I dread to think how many wasted hours I spent dreaming up fancy ways of getting more hits ... a total waste of life ;-)
All the Best
Col :-)
It sounds as if PR is going to be a whole lot less important after the introduction of the Big Daddy infrastructure. Positively Orthogonal Man ;-)
Have a Danish brand coffee on me
All the Best
Col :-)
Sometimes it does pay to clean up your act and comply with the system. I dread to think how many wasted hours I spent dreaming up fancy ways of getting more hits ... a total waste of life ;-)
And I think you have every member of WebMasterWorld with you on that note!
Tweak here, Tweak there....DAMN..My rank dropped and I thought it was supposed to increase!? :>~
*Scratching Head*
But anyway......
Google I love you long time! Give me Big Daddy and a PR update! Both are well overdue!
>>Hi Reseller,
It sounds as if PR is going to be a whole lot less important after the introduction of the Big Daddy infrastructure. Positively Orthogonal Man ;-)<<
Good morning to you Colin
I guess the folks at the plex want to be sure that everything is infunction and as desired on BigDaddy before deploying new PR, BL and possibly improvements as to canonical issue etc..
>>Have a Danish brand coffee on me <<'
Thanks. Always coffee first followed by Cappuccino ;-)
A lot of people would already say it has little importance.
However, what goes on behind the scenes that eventually gets displayed as PR is of more intrest to me - eg BL data and the fundamental ranking of the sites - in a lot of ways this come out as a rather pointless green bar that is always out of date - but the same factors that generate the PR bar are likely to generate rankings in serps etc.
Now I am still unclear whether the rankings/bl data and then obv internal PR as determined by Mozilla Googlebot has been applied.
If not then I think when these rankings get applied there will be huge changes.
If this data has already been applied then Google have largely failed in the correction of Canonical/hijack issues at this stage - it is not just about being able to identify the correct page but to correctly rank it.
MC comments again seem to indicate that PR and therefore the background data that goes into this figure is still up in the air a bit while BD is deployed.
Results: 120 million in Google and 220 million in BigDaddy.
[edited by: g1smd at 2:37 pm (utc) on Feb. 9, 2006]
After making a comeback in Google last Friday, I've got a similar problem. For most keywords, I actually rank better in BigDaddy than "normal" SERPs, however I've got over 1,000 pages in the "normal" index and only 300 in BigDaddy. If that doesn't change, I will slowly lose traffic as BigDaddy spreads.
What I mean is: my site was PR0'd in jagger. SERP's dropped from top 10 to the 1,000 level. In BD right now I am top 5 (hoping that holds for sure!). Is that possible if PR is still zero? It would mean Google has totally abandoned PR and seems to me more likely PR has been adjusted but is only available internally for now.
Doesn't that make sense?
Has Google grown so large in terms of index size and data mining that they are incapable of making an even remotely efficient transition into new SERP results?
Perhaps this is the limitation of Google's technology. We can always expect them to have the best results - a year later.
I'm hanging up my DC Watching hat. I'm just going to do what I do... make sites, and write content... become an expert in business smart niches - and let happen what does in regards to the SERPS and how they consume it.
It's really gotten to be a joke. It seems as though they have coded themselves into a hole, and their new BD infrastructure didn't pan out as planned... where is the direction.
Stop playing with damned play-dough and snacking at the free snack room and get your asses to work Google. With your stock taking a huge <dive>, perhaps you should stop spending so foolishly and focus on the prize - no not the one at the bottom of the cracker jack box.
2006 is going to be a bad year for Google. Mark my words.
[edited by: tedster at 9:27 pm (utc) on Feb. 9, 2006]
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Well I look for things to be ironed out sometime around the "seventh of never".
It's my default Google.com and jeezzz good old spam is back on track and homepages are missing again ....
Default pages indexed are 11,330,000,000 weird stuff my friends.
Hey Guys at googleplex, did you break something while working on BD or what :)? Someone forgot to make a backup of the good algo set?
This is conjecture:
Think about an old blackboard with a complex math equation on it. Now think of this as all the things Google uses to calculate the SERPS. For years now this equation has gotten bigger and bigger as new variables, and new ways of analyzing those variables, are added to the equation. At some point you can no longer go back to the old algebra book and simplify the equation. It becomes just too unwieldy to add new technology and knowledge without revisiting or screwing-up what you already have, so it makes more sense to rebuild the equation from scratch.
Here is a tidbit:
Did you know that Google has a special front end that their engineers use to instantly see how a website fits into their algorithm? If you listen to the this WebMaster Radio show
[media.webmasterradio.fm...]
you can listen as Matt Cutts uses this front end.
I've often speculated they did this heavily since Florida update. Problem is they seem to make re-alignments based upon the top ten sites. After that point they could care less about undoing their ranking mistakes on other sites.
Yes, that does make sense for your site.
However, the Google xml query is showing PR for sites that have long been PR0 - but these rankings have not improved.
It is difficult to know for sure.
BD could be using current PR as used on the other DCs.
BD could be using pre-jagger PR - as was in place when BD was first in development
or
BD could be using new PR as calculated by Mozilla Googlebot.
That PR2 page refers to the Google page that displays your cache - not your site.
With suggestions that PR will lose its importance i agree especially on secondary pages within a site, ive been getting low PR pages to rank well on fairly competitive phrases
[code.google.com...]
Down towards the bottom of the page, you'll find this excerpt:
RK
Format Text (Integer in the range 0-10)
Sub-Tags
Definition Provides a general rating of the relevance of the search result
This doesn't specifically indicate PR, but eludes to it. Is anyone sure the <RK> tag specifically refers to PR?
I am not 100% sure - although the <rk> tag has been discussed on some forums and has been accurate in prediciting the forthcoming displayed PR in the past.
There are also some tools that use the <rk> tag as future page rank indicators.
It looks like a pretty good indicator to me.
One strange thing I have noticed is that sometimes supplimentals can get a <rk> of 10 - obv this is wrong on the PR scale we know - but it could be that supplimentals are on a different scale.
Looking at Google:-
[64.233.171.99...] (link wont work in opera - ok in IE)
Those RK values look pretty much on the mark to me, although there are some differences - eg the odd page shows a RK of 7 and TBPR is 6 - but then TBPR is always out of date.
I guess I will see what the reality is if the current situation holds (#5 for competitive search term across Google, 3 in BD - man am I begging this holds with fingers crossed!).
The other factor with me is I did do a ton of work on the site (site was never banned but just plummeted in SRERPs and went PR0) so its hard to tell how much is BD and how much is simply that I fixed whatever Google didn't like so ranking would have risen regardless.
The fact that I am showing the 5 spot in the Google main but still PR0 does suggest that PR must have returned (even tho I can't see it yet) as its seems impossible to believe Google would simply abandon the whole concept of PR.
