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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-23

Observations, Analysis and Remarks

   
8:11 am on Jan 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Art of Google Datacenters Watch

Good morning Folks

It isn't only a passion but also discipline to observe, analyze and posting remarks about the DCs in general or specific DCs in particular. And patience and focus is the name of the game.

Mostly we are seeking predictions about how tomorrow serps might look like.

And as you might have noticed, watching Google datacenters is a very educating process. Take a look at some posts on this thread and you shall see important topics as canonical issues, supplemental issues, 301 redirect etc. explained in details.

In fact this thread reflects the huge high quality resources this great WebmasterWorld community has.

Keep those great observations, analysis and remarks coming ;-)

Thanks!

[edited by: tedster at 6:55 am (utc) on Jan. 23, 2006]

9:10 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Lets Give BigDaddy Another Chance :-)

Good morning Folks

Sunday is a good day for Google Datacenters Watchers to reflect on a whole week of observations, analysis and remarks regarding changes and developements on the DCs.

This week has started by looking at two groups of BigDaddy Dcs with two to some extent different serps. However, at the end of the week we saw the BigDaddy DCs merge into one set of serps, which is also the case today.

Though both GoogleGuy and Matt "Inigo" Cutts mentioned that BigDaddy shall bring the whole world (including China ;-)) improvements in canonical and supplemental issues, we haven't been able until now to trace much of the said improvements.
Maybe we should give BigDaddy another chance and wait for the next week or so which might bring our affected fellow members some good news.

On a side note, I'm seeing some PR changes, of a site I watch, on some DCs when using a Future PageRank Tool. Maybe its just the usual fluctuations on few DCs, or it could be a PR update is underway.

For those who wish to take a look at BigDaddy DCs at this moment (things are changing all the time), here are they:

[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

Wish you all a great Sunday.

10:29 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>>>Though both GoogleGuy and Matt "Inigo" Cutts mentioned that BigDaddy shall bring the whole world (including China ;-)) improvements in canonical and supplemental issues, we haven't been able until now to trace much of the said improvements.

To be fair GG and MC did not say anything about improvements in Supplemental issues as a result of BD.

Canonical issues - pfffft

They have said improvements in this are on the way for to long with no progress.

10:39 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

And I thought that you are out in the garden digging up tree stumps. No stumps left to dig up? :-)

12:12 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK
Exploiting the canonical issue of great goolge I can destroy all my competitors by adding thousands of links to [competitorsite.com...]
>>>after next update [competitorsite.com...] will have a PR2....
while the real www.competitorsite.com will have PR5
but in 6 months if goolge continues with canonical www versus non www the competitor will find his page at #450 in goolge serpos.
.
goolge keep on seeing http same as www ...duplicate...LOL
2:16 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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bluewidgets;

of course you do realise that when Google fix this problem, you will infact be helping them outrank you.

When google finally figure out a fix to the problem, backlinks to both www.comp... and comp... will both be added together...

I wouldnt go round adding to many backlinks if I were you ;-)

Not to mention Yahoo and MSN.....

[edited by: otech at 2:18 pm (utc) on Jan. 29, 2006]

2:18 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>>>When google finally figure out a fix to the problem, backlinks to both www.comp... and comp... will both be added together...

Might/Will never happen.

3:58 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>>On a side note, I'm seeing some PR changes<<<<<
(Reseller)

Hey Reseller I got one of these blows :-)

I went to the tool and saw PR5 on 4 of the data centers (my site is PR6). Before fainting completely, I said let's look for that PR5 internal page (new before Jagger) and it showed PR0. So I got back my normal color on the face :-)

The internal page should be PR4 - even PR3 - if the home page had degraded to PR5, NOT PR0 so this is DEFINITELY NOT new PR, it's just this shuffling that we are all aware of.

However Reseller I want to thank you for the cooperation and gentlemanship you are showing on this board, I am not posting often but I read you and all the other friends avidly and daily - not drinking capuccino though, just plain milk...

Maria

8:06 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm a bit late with this comment, but something unusual occured on Friday last. While checking G for my site's main phrase, my site popped up at #9 - where it had been prior to all the nonsense on the 22 September, Jagger 1,2, & 3, and Big Daddy. It was even the homepage that came up at #9.

For a fleeting moment I thought G algos had finally stopped messing around, but of course, this was not the case. When I refreshed things had gone back the way they had been since September.

The likely explanation is, I presume, that G momentarily pointed search traffic at an old search index.

Anyway, my best result on BD DC's is still in the #'60's, an inner page with no external BL's of its own. Non-BD DC's have my homepage as the first result, down in the #500's.

It was a nice (short) reminder of how things used to be...

8:58 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good evening Folks

Maybe it isn't a big deal and its just the folks at the plex wish to make some fun :-)

This group of DCs is showing something different than the rest within the sector I watch.

64.233.161.*

Do you see the same within your sector(s)?

Thanks.

9:06 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Maria444

>>However Reseller I want to thank you for the cooperation and gentlemanship you are showing on this board, I am not posting often but I read you and all the other friends avidly and daily - not drinking capuccino though, just plain milk...<<

Thanks for the kind words. You are most welcome, my friend.

I can't imagine Google Datacenters Watch without the magic effect of Cappuccino to help me focus on those minor changes ;-)

1:12 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[64.233.179.104...]

Is showing a big drop in page count for me (again). From 987 to 300 to 887, now back to around 450 with about 100 supplementals.

3:13 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me how to tell if any of my pages are supplemental?

Thanks.

Richard

4:08 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good evening all (at least those East Coast US), I have a huge question that I'm hoping some of you can assist me on.

Lets say I track 15 key terms (we sell one product). And, lets also say that I rank between 3 - 9 on all of my terms. Then, lets say Big Daddy came along and I stayed put on 14 terms, but one term, I dropped from 6 to 81!?>@!@><!@>!

I've changed nothin on my site and dont appear to have lost any back-links.

Could someone point me in a direction on how to go about discovering why I dropped so much on only one term?

Thanks in advance.

6:54 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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RichardD;

Any result on Google that says 'Supplemental Result' is a.. supplemental result!

To find out if you have any, do a site:yourdomain.com and look through to see if you have any.

Phil_AM
If your loss is only on BD, then I would wait until BD is complete before trying to isolate anything - it might just be a temporary thing and loosing 1 keyword on a test DC is nothing to be worried about yet...

Wait till BD eventually spreads, then try to figure it out - don't change anything yet!

8:53 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As if Jagger didn't cause me enough sleepless nights, this latest update or whatever it is, is worse. Pre Jagger, my main site was 4th or 5th on the first page for a couple of years. Post Jagger, it has became anchored at the top of page 3. This week though it is jumping from this position to my old spot on the first page. This seems to be happening many times per day.
I'm sure that if this continues, i'm gonna finish up in the funny farm.
11:14 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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otech

>>Any result on Google that says 'Supplemental Result' is a.. supplemental result!

[...]

Wait till BD eventually spreads, then try to figure it out - don't change anything yet!<<

Yeah, BD is really working. not.

site: domain.com returns 1320 results.

1st 7 are *not* supplemental, the remainder are. The 7 have recent cache dates. The rest have at least 4, possibly more cache dates going back to last January or further.

A few minutes before getting the 1320 result, the number was 11,600.

12:01 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It is interesting to note that Big Daddy is fixing a number of sites with real efficiency but appear to leave others untouched.

Our site was fixed to the point that every one of our 431 pages is correctly indexed with snipet and cache and is even in correct order of importance.

The same site: search on default shows only 60% of the pages with a snipets or cache and the order is jumbled.

So Big Daddy IS working for some but obviously not others.

Good news that Matt Cutts is going to do a BD update this week on his blog. Thanks reseller.

12:15 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It looks to me now with regards to my site that different fixes are taking place on different DC's.
The correct canonical home page (www) is showing all the time on 64.233.179.104, but the 301 redirect from index.php to home seems to be taking place on other DC's.
12:43 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Matt Cutts: A BigDaddy Weather Report & Spam Reporting Issues.. This Week "
Great, so reseler you are Harith that your inigo close the eye (question...after so many prays did your spanish hero fixed your site?)
I have nothing against you in fact i like you but i would like to ask you like your hero did you ever sleep?
1:25 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have discovered a few new Big Daddy DC's to add to those that

Reseller listed:

[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

New:

[64.233.171.105...]
[64.233.171.147...]

[216.239.37.99...]
[216.239.37.104...]

Thats a total of Twelve Data Centres perhaps as many as 10-12% of all Data Centres are now Big Daddy.

As Matt Cutts confirmed that Big Daddy started on only two DC's either its spreading or entirely new Big Daddy DC's are being added for some reason.

Perhaps Google intend replacing the total number of DC,s with a new set of say 70 Big Daddy DC's before they switch over.

That way there would be no need to integrate or update the existing DC's with their canonically corrupted structures.....just switch em off and switch on the new Big Daddy set!

.....

3:12 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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one of my PR4 site is now listed last on almost all keywords? Was on PAge 1 earlier this month. any help how to get back to top SERP and howmuch time it may take. Is it due to ongoing update on Bid D?
3:51 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Maybe the switched them off but I am not seeing BD on:

[216.239.37.99...]
[216.239.37.104...]

9:55 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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