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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-23

Observations, Analysis and Remarks

   
8:11 am on Jan 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

The Art of Google Datacenters Watch

Good morning Folks

It isn't only a passion but also discipline to observe, analyze and posting remarks about the DCs in general or specific DCs in particular. And patience and focus is the name of the game.

Mostly we are seeking predictions about how tomorrow serps might look like.

And as you might have noticed, watching Google datacenters is a very educating process. Take a look at some posts on this thread and you shall see important topics as canonical issues, supplemental issues, 301 redirect etc. explained in details.

In fact this thread reflects the huge high quality resources this great WebmasterWorld community has.

Keep those great observations, analysis and remarks coming ;-)

Thanks!

[edited by: tedster at 6:55 am (utc) on Jan. 23, 2006]

11:42 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Still going UP. Got to 554 in IE. Then swapped back to Mozilla which had an old count in the 400's and the next refreshed count in Mozilla was 558, so this number really is in Google's system!

Refreshed a few more times, and already up to 630 and still going UP.

Got to 646 and it reverted back to 18 and is now stuck there.

[edited by: g1smd at 11:45 pm (utc) on Jan. 24, 2006]

11:43 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[64.233.187.104...] doesn't appear to be BD yet.

That DC is certainly BD!

11:48 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It might give the right response to the "sf giants" query, but the results for other searches are nowhere near the same as those on 64.249.93.104 etc.
12:02 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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64.233.187.104 is currently showing Big daddy for search? searches but non-Big daddy for ie? searches.
12:05 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[64.233.187.104...] is definitely showing big daddy, by any criteria, I am seeing it both in IE and FIreFox

[edited by: frup at 12:06 am (utc) on Jan. 25, 2006]

12:06 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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64.233.187.104 looks to me like a modified set, the serp count for the keywords I'm looking at is right between the normal big daddy ones and the non-big daddy ones, positions are moving around a bit too.

For one I look at, big daddy gives about 270 million, this one gave 170 million, and the standard old ones gave about 70 million. For what it's worth, in other words, not much.

12:06 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> ...by any criteria... <<

Not by mine it isn't.

So, it depends on what you are searching for...

12:10 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Apart from my PR for the non-www site coming back (wrong!), and now backlinks changing again, can't see much difference!
12:48 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[64.233.187.104...]

I can tell BD by a site:mysite search. It has not migrated yet.

12:50 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Crap! My bad! It just did.
[64.233.187.104...] is now BigDaddy
I am getting confused here now.
I know my google.com has been [64.233.187.104...] forever but suddenly it has become: 216.239.51.104-
I have no idea what is going on now.
2:11 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[64.233.187.104...]

Based on my site: search, this is BigDaddy...

I think there is quite a bit of switching back and forth within DCs so this could be leading to some confusion.

2:27 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When will GoogleGuy clear up the confusion?!?!?!?! And what kind of guinea pigs are we? Google sure strikes a nerve telling us about this and not implementing it when they told us it was coming. Bring it Google! Let's see the update for all of our sakes!
2:58 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As compared to January 18 check (25 Billion for "www" in big BD and 15 Billion for "www" in small BD), Google seems cleaning up the serps eventually:

[66.249.93.104...] (original BD): 9 billion ("www")
[64.233.179.104...] (BD): 20 billion
Default Google: 8 billion

3:47 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing backlinks and pr on bigdaddy as they were 4 months ago.

I don't (wish to) believe this is an update, it is a stuff up

4:17 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How do you check the PR on a specific datacenter?
6:02 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing backlinks and pr on bigdaddy as they were 4 months ago.

Yep, that's what it is. I was hoping I had my old PR back. No such luck.

6:20 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good BigDaddy morning Folks

So you have been busy while Europe was in bed. Have always wondered why americans work and sleep at the wrong times :-)

And it seems our good friend Matt "Inigo" Cutts still a man of few words.

Maaaaaaaatt! say something, man :-)

In order to have more accurate assessments of BigDaddy, we need from you some feedback about: relevancy in search (search quality) , extent of spam, and possible improvements regarding canonicals and supplementals.

Ok. Here is where you can see BigDaddy at the moment. And it still display two sets of serps

New BigDaddy DCs

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

[64.233.187.99...]
[64.233.187.104...]

PS. I'm not listing the 105 and 147 DCs of the same set.

In addition to the "original" BigDaddy DCs

Set-I
[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

And

Set-II (reseller's favorite DCs :-))
[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

Wish you all a great day.

6:32 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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followgreg

>>How do you check the PR on a specific datacenter? <<

Try to run a search on Google for:

Future PageRank Checker

I hope this helps.

6:43 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)



Some days you just know big things are going to happen. Aol search changed back to pre-big daddy last night. I've always seen the Aol update as being the pre-cursor to a major change. Last night I definately spotted an AOL Big Daddy.

I'm hoping that this message gets to you ... as Tedster keeps deleting my posts ...

All the Best

Col :-)

7:09 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Reseller >> Thanks, that's actually what I use to do, I mean using the tool you are talking about, but I was wondering if there was another 'easy' way to get it from any DC, the 'future pagerank' tool gives only few ... :) I'm an addict for sure :)
7:18 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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this is all very strange - I'm seeing yet another TBPR rollback on 216.239.57.99, 216.239.53.99, 216.239.53.104 back to at least 3 months ago.
7:30 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>this is all very strange - I'm seeing yet another TBPR rollback on 216.239.57.99, 216.239.53.99, 216.239.53.104 back to at least 3 months ago.

Yeah, it's a tad strange. As I had originally reported, I was getting bigdaddy results intermittently on google.ca and now I've been seeing cache-dates from July 2005 and August 2005.. Strange, since my site has a googlebot on atleast some page nearly 24 hours per day.

Too bad Google search index isn't connected to Google News, then we'd have our news site updated every 5-10 minutes ;)

Site is around 999,000 - 1,110,000 pages indexed on BDs, as opposed to ca. 490,000 reported on the non-BDs.

8:42 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Fresh Google Cache

Hi Folks

Here you can see the fresh cache. Of course on these lovely DCs :-)

For my homepage its: 21 Jan 2006 05:22:07 GMT.

Set-II (reseller's favorite DCs :-))
[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

Enjoy!

8:46 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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it is entirely possible that they are switching Big Daddy to live for set amounts of time, while x amount of users, do y amount of searches and doing some analysis of their behaviour on Big Daddy.

Why not test the servers are stable live as well.

The live environment is the best test environment.

9:48 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hmmz about cache.

Some DCs are showing BD cache but are not showing BD results - so if you do a query you get the normal/old result set - but the caches are not correct (eg sometimes not even there) - basically the cache and the results are not spreading accross the DCs at the same time.

11:17 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm unclear on what this post is about? Seems no evidence of an update, only evidence some data centres are showing old results.

No evidence of anything new, like increased pr/backlinks on new sites(Yes your site pr/backlinks might be greater on some dcs, if they were greater before and now dropped.

I can't see any evidence of anything in particular other than old results, which mean nothing

11:54 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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nicidivine

This has been talked about a lot here and on MC blog:-

[mattcutts.com...]

MC has been talking about infastructure changes etc and this is what has spread to some more DCs beginning yesterday evening (Euro Time)...

MC has said it is not an update, and a lot of the changes are subtle and form the groundwork for future improvements (specifically in the Canonical url/302/301 area).

Now it looks like Big Daddy is spreading accross the DCs lets hope this new infastructure finally brings back the sites which have had Canonical/Hijack and other associated problems over the coming weeks.

Of course as mentioned above this could be an extension of the test more than a roll out at this stage.

12:16 pm on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So, if these DC's are bobbing in and out of the SERP's, is it affecting anyones site statistics?

Is anyone seeing more, or less traffic due to the apparent mixing of the DC's from time to time? Is that traffic affecting the homepage, or inner pages?

12:40 pm on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My traffic is poo - occasional bursts of activity, but more or less similar to a 'sandboxed' site.

One development though - front page -> internal page links appear to be being 'repaired' on 64.233.171.104
This is obviously a good sign as these are my major keywords! Appalling ranking, but at least the pages are being picked up.

12:52 pm on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When i look at these data centers (any of them) there is always one thing that seems to stand out for me.

I see an awful lot of pages that do not belong there. However, when you get beyond the pages that do not belong there, I see th ones that do.

Its funny a computing technology related keyword has things that relate to boy scouts and Medical surgery procedures. Not to mention the dmoz cnets eweeks etc...

Luckily i am surviving on Yahoo and MSN. Granted I took a 60% nose dive since this all started, but I am hanging in there....

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