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"Celebrating" Allegra Update Anniversary Day
Good morning Folks
Life on Google DCs is much more wonderful than you will ever think :-)
Approaching February 2006, I feel like it just happened yesterday or last week or last month. I'm talking about that Allegra update which changed the map of Google serps once and for all on 2nd February 2005.
I recall loosing 75% of my Google's referrals at that black cold February day. Then the sad stories of other fellow members started to appeare on the threads.
IMO, Allegra was a turning point of the relation between the SEO's specialists and Google. Since then Google carried out an undeclared war against what most SEO's were making living of. Some wise SEO's understood at once the situation and started to adapt and deal with the new environment. Others kept dreaming about the return of the good old Google Dance days.
February is a good time for "savage" Google's updates. Better you keep your eyes opened and watch closely whats taking place on the DCs. And keep your focus on small and big changes on DCs such as
And lets be wise and forget all about the Smoke and Mirrors of a BigDaddy or a BigMammy :-)
I wish you all a great day and a successful week.
[edited by: tedster at 8:52 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]
[edited by: lawman at 11:56 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]
joined:May 31, 2004
The forum sites are have massive reductions in page counts, whereas many other sites have gigantic page increases. I've tested this on many sites and found the same thing (over 10 examples).
The interesting thing is that on reseller's DC's, my site map page is ranking fairly well for the site name and index page is indented right after it. It appears that Google still doesn't want to entirely recognize my index page as the "head" of my site. Of course, it's progress. :-)
>>>>> Identifying a correct page as canonical is just a small, even tiny, part of canonical problems.
Yes, I agree with that - fair enough.
But for me Google is correctly identifity the correct page as the canonical (well from what is visible on the test dcs)....when my site has been in the dark so long I was encouraged by this and therefore optomistic.
I would be lying IMO if I said that is not an improvement. And as MC was talking about infastructure and groundwork I assumed this is the type of thing we should be looking for at this stage rather than ranking changes.
However, as my pages dont rank then my homepage still suffer as a result of the canonical problem and perhap my optomisim is mis-placed.
joined:June 11, 2005
All the Best
Even a we are still working on it, we are reading your posts and taking notes, we are making progress, it is taking longer than expected, well just about anything would be nice.
Now we're making progress (for me at least)! This is the highest page count I've had in a BigDaddy DC to date. Up from 585 yesterday to 860 today (that's up from a low of around 300 less than a week ago - I still show 985 on non-BigDaddy centers). I've been hit by Googlebot and Mozilla Googlebot hard for the last two days.
I was also showing from 80 - 100 supplementals in that count. None of the 860 are showing as supplemental. No ranking adjustments yet for me.
Seiing as you haven't posted for over a month, your contribution is hardly of any merit, when the one time you do post, it's to criticise others.
Sometimes slightly off topic comments can be helpful, especially for those strenuously watching Google's every move, and posting on the more popular threads gets the word around more quickly.
But I do respect your comments, so please respect others, as we are all here to help one another.
I agree - people are seeing some homepages being crawled again etc although these are not ranking.
Personally for sites that have had over a year now (or thereabouts) of canonical problems it would be nice to know if this is expected behaviour at this stage and what is liklely in the coming months.
At the moment it just seems like G are teasing site owners with canonical problems rather than helping/solving etc.
These site owners have had it pretty hard from G anyway without this extra teasing :( - little bit of info on what to expect would be nice.
At this point the testing has been going on for no more than 2 1/2 weeks.
During this time the BD centres have been active off and on, and each time they are activated there has been something new for us to analyse and report back on.
If lots of errors are reported, I'm sure the Google people will take this into account (why else would they have asked for our feed back?), so let's just go on investigating and reporting what we find. The better and the more informative our reports, the more valuable they will be to Google, and the better the chance of a satisfactory end result. Anyway, it's far too early to panic!
You haven't shown even that. Listing your homepage first is nothing.
Is ONLY the page you want to be seen as canonical listed? (... only www.example.com, no example.com or example.com/index.php or...)
Are no other versions of the content on the page able to be found via obscure searches (for example, text that used to be on the page but no longer is)?
And that doesn't even address ranking.
A canonical page is not identified as long as other versions of the page/content exist, regardless of how they are ordered in results or whether the "correct" page outranks "non-correct" versions of the page in the results.
In other words, does each page of content correspond with only one URL in the results?
That is true, but If I remember correctly Matt also said some problems were going to be addressed last update too concerning the same problems that big daddy is now suppose to be taking care of, and that didn't happen. I am sure Matt thought they were going to be and I am not knocking him a bit. I appreciate all that he shares with us.
We just want a little reassurance is all. A lot of us were really excited a month or two ago and we don't want to be disappointed again.
Don't get me wrong we are thrilled that google is trying to fix this problem but if it is going to be 3 or 4 months instead of a month or two so be it. We would just like to know. With some of the changes we are seeing to our sites it is hard not to get your hopes up.
What a mess. Supplementals of URLs that never had content on them from two years ago resurrected. Any page with any sort of canonical issue depressed in the results.
You gotta wonder when Google is actually going to take a step forward dealing with its core problems, rather than band aid after band aid and step back after step back.
Good evening Folks
And so we read frustrations and disappointments, which are natural human reactions on the current situation on some of Google DCs.
Life of webmasters would have been much easier without watching and posting comments about BigDaddy which we really we don't know much about other than its an attempt of building a new infrastructure of Google index.
Our problems and frustrations started the moment our good friend at the plex, Matt "Inigo" Cutts asked for feedback about this and that. Sending signals which motivated some fellow members to expect a remedy for their sites disparate situations.
Don't get me wrong. I'm an Inigo fanboy and I'm not questioning his motives for calling for feedback. I'm just saying that Inigo should have been more careful when he wrote that famous call.
In the absence of feedback from GG or Matt, we are left to deal with the situation depending upon our own resources. And we do have great resources here in this great WebmasterWorld community.
We need to forget what Matt wrote in his call for feedback and move on assuming that BigDaddy is ONLY about new infrastructure.
IMO we should keep our focus on the two DCs which I mentioned in a previous post
Maybe they don't look great for some of you. However, that might as well be the new infrastructure for deploying the next update on sometime during February.
And who knows what the next update gonna bring all of us of surprises, good and bad news and more frustrations :-)
I'm currently seeing a reversal of the forward progress. I don't beleive this can be not attributed to those Big Daddy DCs that are now not showing older cache results.
Are we in agreement or not disagreement?
Or are they converting all their data centers to hold the bigger database which takes a while to do which is why it is taking so long for this new Big Daddy to spread across all the data centers?
joined:Dec 29, 2003
I doubt it. More like they don't feel it's where it shoudl be quality wise. Google would not collect all that data if they couldn't handle it in a timely fashion, especially this type of data.
Good morning Folks
It isn't only a passion but also discipline to observe, analyze and posting remarks about the DCs in general or specific DCs in particular. And patience and focus is the name of the game.
Mostly we are seeking predictions about how tomorrow serps might look like.
And as you might have noticed, watching Google datacenters is a very educating process. Take a look at some posts on this thread and you shall see important topics as canonical issues, supplemental issues, 301 redirect etc. explained in details.
In fact this thread reflects the huge high quality resources this great WebmasterWorld community has.
Keep those great observations, analysis and remarks coming ;-)