Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
"Celebrating" Allegra Update Anniversary Day
Good morning Folks
Life on Google DCs is much more wonderful than you will ever think :-)
Approaching February 2006, I feel like it just happened yesterday or last week or last month. I'm talking about that Allegra update which changed the map of Google serps once and for all on 2nd February 2005.
I recall loosing 75% of my Google's referrals at that black cold February day. Then the sad stories of other fellow members started to appeare on the threads.
IMO, Allegra was a turning point of the relation between the SEO's specialists and Google. Since then Google carried out an undeclared war against what most SEO's were making living of. Some wise SEO's understood at once the situation and started to adapt and deal with the new environment. Others kept dreaming about the return of the good old Google Dance days.
February is a good time for "savage" Google's updates. Better you keep your eyes opened and watch closely whats taking place on the DCs. And keep your focus on small and big changes on DCs such as
[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]
And lets be wise and forget all about the Smoke and Mirrors of a BigDaddy or a BigMammy :-)
I wish you all a great day and a successful week.
[edited by: tedster at 8:52 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]
[edited by: lawman at 11:56 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]
I thought that I would pop in to see how things are progressing with the on/off big daddy update. Even though I'm officially retired I can't resist google watching at times like these.
My stats show constant switches from current serps to Big Daddy ones. On Big Daddy most of my pages are supplimental and on the current serps all of my pages are cached 14 Jan 06. I get really good hits with competetive keyphrases and then when I check the positions everything has changed ... even seconds after the hit was logged.
Could it be that Big Daddy is so much in development at present that they are just being run on old data for comparitive purposes ... i.e. to see how things would have changed historically and not the usual real time sensitive subjective results that we're used to after an update.
Maybe once the test phase is completed there might be a complete cache update and all those nasty supplimentals will go away :-)
Anyhow all the best to everyone fighting to make a living,
Col :-)
Hmmz - that is about all there is to say at the moment. Nothing happening - test DC not showing test results..........
No feedback from MC/GG........
Isn't it horrible when you think back that it has almost been a year. Feb 2nd was our downfall too. You would have thought since it was groundhogs day our sites would have came back in about 6 weeks!
Good luck to you, somedays I get optimistic others I want to just hang it up.
For all affected by these problems sometime after Feb 2nd 2005, I truly hope you don't have to wait over a year to see things improve. A year is too long!
I guess the thread wont die until G fix some problems - so could be here for a long time......
Hmmmz - Billy - how is that grass getting on?
Grass - even here in New Jersey - is growing at a much faster rate than my pages in the BigDaddy index. Everywhere I show 980+ execept on BigDaddy which has been frozen at ~450 for what seems like 2 weeks now. Supplementals staying at the same levels in BigDaddy - close to 80.
In fact, if BigDaddy spreads as is then I will be forced to remove Google search from my website and subsitute MSN or Yahoo - which are providing better coverage lately.
>>Nothing happening - test DC not showing test results.......... <<
Test results have been there on [66.249.93.104...] the whole day, also while BillyS was watching the grass grow.
You may wish to refresh your browser more often. Of course it could be me that should refresh my browser too :-)
However, IMO its waste of time to keep watching the test DC and its much better to watch the rest of the DCs.
>>Good luck to you, somedays I get optimistic others I want to just hang it up. <<
Thanks. The same to you.
In fact Allegra's experience had been very educating to several of us as far as I could read on the threads. People started spending more time on their sites removing duplicates, fighting back on 302 hijackings, studying the effect of modification of title and metatags of many pages at one time etc..
Maybe we are today more savvy webmasters than we were pre-Allegra ;-)
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Anybody else noticing this, or has anybody else noticied it before.
Anybody else noticing this, or has anybody else noticied it before.
In my nich after the December 27th so called refresh of the index, a secure page (https)came from nowhere and started to climb to the top of the serps for highly competitive terms. It is baffling me to see this page where it is in terms of ranking. The page is the wrong landing page for some of the terms it ranks for. The url is from a shared secure server domain and is in the UK. So, it is the wrong country for the US serps, the wrong landing page for some terms, and I assume has no PR since it is a https page, yet it ranks like gold!
I checked the back links to the page in Yahoo and found several thousands of direct anchor text(the terms it ranks great for) links from several rotating ad networks. None of these links appear to be on topic either.
Google must be giving more weight to TLD(top level domain) links regardless of topic for this page to rank where it does.
So a common search would produce:
keyword.com (valuable site)
keyword.co.uk (Of no value in the USA)
keyword.ca (Of no value in the USA)
I would expect this on google.co.uk and google.ca, but not here.
It is making a mess of the serps with valuable sites that were in the top five results dropping down the page.
This will only lead to blackhats picking up off-shore URL's.
Can you guys Judge at this DC "http://64.233.179.99/". Is it a DC which progressing?
At this very moment, yes.
Comments: In addition to my comments above about .ca and .co.uk url's having too much weight in the serps, it is also loaded with 1 and 2 year old news articles.
Good morning Folks
As you might have noticed, I mentioned two DCs to keep an eye on.
[64.233.179.104...] which sometimes show BigDaddy but mostly showing the "normal" serps. Today its showing BigDaddy again. Fair enough.
But.. Matt "Inigo" Cutts has never mentioned even once that [64.233.179.99...] is a BigDaddy DC. However, its showing BigDaddy results today for the first time. And I thought at least I have one DC to watch in peace away of Matt's BigDaddy and BigMammy (:(
Listen Inigo.. you leave my DC in peace or I will spam your blog in a way that you haven't seen before :-)
The difference between the 2 is that the 64.233.179.* is showing the correct cache dates for the pages which have been crawled....
I talked earlier about that I could tell that a page had been crawled more recently in the serps by the snippet than the cache was showing - the 64.233.179.* are showing the more recent cache.
Definately a change for me. Deindexing continues, now showing 400 page with 80 of them supplemental. This is a loss of around 50 more pages from a high of 985.
I'm taking this as a good sign ;)
currently in google.co.in and google.com if i type my website's name it returns nearly 20000 results , but on the new test DCs it shows 13400 and fluctuating upto 19600.
your ideas?
With a cleared cache and emptied cookies, I keep seing different results for the very same keyword combo than people in the US are seeing. Even on these two DCs.
As for diffs in the number of returned pages, this varies greately between the BD DCs and the other DCs. Mostly however for sites whith supplemental pages. And rightly so I think. Good riddance with them. Most of them where in Google's index because of Google not being able to distinguish between www and non-www urls.
On one site with lots of suplementary pages, and where I have done no 301-redirecting or even any attempts at closing down non-www pages, the results vary between 30,300 and 51,900.
To be fair he said his website name - not pages from his site......
Although obviously 20000 pages is not spam (apparently) for some product page sites (Amazon, Walmart etc)
Depends who you are and what you do.
Indias next no1 - think it will be a while yet before we see this test data used on all dcs - I hope that a new pr update will be coming next now that G is getting to grips with the canonicals - this might be after the roll out though.
>>I hope that a new pr update will be coming next now that G is getting to grips with the canonicals - this might be after the roll out though<<
And while you are waiting for that miracle to happen, I suggest you and I travel to USA and join BillyS
in watching the american green grass grow :-)
SEOPTI : In google SERPS, if i type my website name it returns me 20000 results. My website contain quality content and a leading portal in India with regular updates.
Note : I am not doing any spam. but other people, to place adsense in their webpages and to get content for their website, they copy the search results in search engines and place it in their websites as a content, that's why such a 20000 result for my website name. The control is not in my hand.
whether such spammers websites will be ommitted by test DCs?
I would have thought that would be the next logical step....
EG - Determine the correct url by following 302s, 301s or correctly identifying the canonical url - then calculate the PR when they are satisfied with the indetification process..... of course this could be being done constantly behind the scenes anyway...
