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This quote is from Matt Cutts blog:
I’m about blogged out for the day, and there are better places to discuss this stuff (WebmasterWorld, Search Engine Watch Forums, etc.). The best way to get people to process your feedback is to use the spam report form or the dissatisfied link, make sure that you include the keyword “bigdaddy” and try to be as specific and clear as you can.... I’d be delighted to get webspam feedback, but I’m most interested in hearing feedback about canonicalization, redirects, duplicate urls, www vs. non-www, and similar issues. Before you send in a report, please read my previous posts on url canonicalization, the inurl operator, and 302 redirects.
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[edited by: tedster at 11:45 pm (utc) on Jan. 4, 2006]
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>> Always have since day one (mostly to improve handling of http vs https pages) I guess all it takes is a few inbound links pointing to http://mysite.com/ <<
If you are using full URLs in links (including full domain), and/or the base tag (which always starts with domain), then any spider arriving at "domain.com/page1.html" cannot get to any other "domain.com" pages because all of your internal links are pointing to "www.domain.com" pages.
If you have that many non-www pages indexed, then there must some places on your site where the links are relative or not domain specific for this to have happened.
Use Xenu LinkSleuth to check this again.
All three. This one is obvious. MSN in particular has huge numbers of multiple listings, like one www and one non-www.
"Which other major search engine has a supplemetal issues?"
That's just Google, although Yahoo clings to some nonexistent pages a very long time.
"Which other major search engine has a redirect issues?"
Yahoo and MSN's results are corrupted with a huge amount redirects. They are certainly no better than Google on this, although their problems are different.
Is it your honest opinion that Google has provided as good a search engine as the other big guns over the past 12 months. Is there, in your opinion, nobody else on the net doing a better job for searchers, publishers and businesses?
I can fully appreciate and respect your opinion, but it would be very interesting to know where you side in this affair.
Many thanks
Col :-)
The market could care about how webmasters feel they are being treated. It continues to stay with Google and regardless of whether some webmasters like or do not like how Google is running its business, it seems that it will be there for some time.
Google is a gift. It gives every webmaster a shot at some free business. Those who take the gift and use it right, win. Those who don't lose.
A business built on a freebee that can change at any monent is a weakly managed business.
Google says it will make changes in time. So be it. It is their business. So get on with advertising offline, on line and doing all those other things that it takes to run a business.
We are watching the end results only while others spend their days watching data centers. We see that some of our keywords were hardly affected since July. But others hammered. Why? No idea.
We see old pages showing up on Google one day, and disappearing the next.
So what do we do? Go on with business! There are many search engines, many paths to promote, many ways to make money and many things to do to manage a business.
People use Google because they like Google. So get on with business and plan on how you can solve your problems instead of complaining that you are not getting respect.
I wouldn't blame Matt or see him as under-estimating our intelligence here. Google is like an elephant now, where he can not tell all that he likes to or is aware of. He wasn't even aware of the test DC at 64.233.179.X taken down for testing. He is right in telling, they now have a better infrastructure for addressing canonical and redirects and also acknowledged that ranking as a result hasn't been affected by this. Only if he knew, perhaps he would have given a timeline of new indexing as a result of this new infrastructure.
reseller, I hope your vocal frustrations vented out here (I desist saying ranting), will be taken with little more seriousness and expedite their redressal process.
Anyway, waiting for your capuccino inspired good morning wishes :-)
Sorry to disappoint you. Currently neither DCs are showing the bigdaddy test results. They must have taken them down for some testing.
(now this was an apache server with no individual redirect available in .htaccess) I contacted their support team and explained the problems with google without the 301- pointed out to them that almost all hosting companies did this automatically for their clients upon creating the domain and told them I would be moving.I have never had, nor have I ever heard of a hosting company doing this for you. Personally, i wouldn't host with a company that messed with my .htaccess file.
Thanks McMohan.
Another great new day. They said the sun shall shine on the land of vikings today and that is more than enough to make anybody happy on the higway on the way to the busy wonderful wonderful Copenhagen.
And my 17 year daughter has registered that dad is happy this morning. So why not ask for a new dress which might "only" cost $150 :-)
What I like most of WebmasterWorld is that you meet friends accross countries and little by little you start to like them and feel with them. Behind WebmasterWorld user names there are many wonderful helpful and intelligent friends. God bless WebmasterWorld community.
Back to Matt and BigDaddy feedback. Honestly I like Matt and still think that he is a nice helpful person. I also think that he is a bright engineer. But I think that he had lost a golden opportunity to show the human side of Google by not issuing clear and specific statement to help people at the same position as for example Dayo_UK and tigger. Because those are part of our community and we should expect Google to help them in return of our cooperation in BigDaddy feedback.
However, it isn't too late, the kind nice helpful matt still can suggest fellow members at the same position as Dayo_UK and tigger to file reinclusion requests and for that I thank Inigo in advance.
McMohan
>>I have always wondered who this Harith guy is, who always posts the first comment to Matt's blog-post. Any idea reseller :-)<<
Yes. I have noticed that too. Sounds like a very nice polite guy :-)
colin_h
I like your remarks and your posative healthy contributions.
I wish you all a great day.
Interestingly, this domain had about 900 supplementals from when we redid this site A YEAR AGO - and they have now finally completely dissapeared!
Other changes I had noticed earlier have otherwise disspaeared and now mirror google.com as per the above post suggesting it had reverted back to normal - anyone else seeing any slight differences?
I have had alot of crawling from google over the last few days so perhaps its a regular update being inserted?
However all other domains I monitor that did show changes have now changed back to mirror google.com.
Once again we champion different sides of the fence, it doesn't stop me respecting your thoughtful and logical posts however.
The one thing that I have learned over the past year is how much lower Google's hit to buck ratio is, in comparisson to the other majors. When I got completely banned on Google my bandwidth usage fell by 95%ish and yet my income only fell by around 30%. From this I have come to deduce that an amazing amount of hits from google come from hungry webmasters checking out the competition. If you get top spot for good keywords, you get them swarming around you looking for any clue as to how you have done it.
I think Google may need webmasters more than even they think, as we probably account for 60% - 70% of their activity. I should imagine that if they admitted this to the market place that their stock would fall accordingly.
I understand that people love using google, as you say the numbers speak for themselves. I wonder if anything would change if MSN or Yahoo brought out a minimal front page as well ... It's always been the reason that I used them. I find it remarkable that the others haven't tried it.
All the best
Col :-)
[edited by: colin_h at 7:40 am (utc) on Jan. 6, 2006]
Everything seems to have calmed down now and we all get along again :-]
I think that if Matt Cutts had asked for positive feedback about Big Daddy I would like him better. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I am being asked to back-stab fellow webmasters - "Look there goes a thought criminal", all a bit 1984 for me.
Lets have a day where we report good things and positive feedback to google ... that'll make them nervous ;-)))
I think my first report will be that I like the colours in Google's logo. Maybe scrap the rest and just keep that bit?
Keep Positive and All the Best to All. Good Days Ahead.
Col :-)
No spam or sneaky stuff on my site, it is however a 6 month old site...
It seems that my site only has the main page indexed on Big Daddy and Google now.
Any ideas?
If you do site:server.com you'll see that page counts more or less match, however the order of keywords is quite different for my sector.
I agree with what has been said above re what type of feedback we are supposed to be giving - I ask on MC blog the following:-
"With regards to feedback from Big Daddy DC - I had a Canonical problem on the Homepage and Big Daddy seems to be dealing with that correctly now. However the site still has crawling and ranking issues.
You are talking about infastructure at this stage rather than ranking changes - so are you requiring feedback from sites that seem to have the Canonical problem fixed but still dont rank - or is better to hold off on this feedback until the infastructure leads to the next rank change - make sense?
EG no point some of us reporting to your engineers along the lines of - It had Canonical probs which are fixed but the site still doesnt rank - if this is not to be expected at this stage.
Obviously if the rank is to be expected then some of us will have to look at other reasons for the sites maybe having problems - would be useful for you to clarify."
Unfortunately MC has not seen this, or is not able to reply at this stage......
For me if the DC is just to crawl the destination urls from 301/302 redirects and Home Page Canonicilzation then G seem to be doing OK from where I am sitting - but what about the penalty that was applied to the site due to the 301/302 and Canonical issue - is this supposed to be part of the feedback we are giving - if so then Google have achieved nothing yet.
But as McMahon has already said MC has admitted no ranking changes have yet to occur based on the new infastructure - for most of us this is what we are waiting for.
This is what I am confused about. On the 27th there was this data refresh and he stated it should not have affected the rangings too much. However, it has completley changed the rankings, not just for my sites and pages, but for anyone who was on page one. Something more than a data refresh happened because I find it hard to beleive the results that I see on the test dc, and live are actually what google would think searcher would want to see.
Still I hope for a real update
> Even tho I have my site back I now know that clean sites can suddenly be penalized for no apparent reason.
Yesterday I began to think that whole my site should be destroyed and rebuilded from 0. Why? Because only 1 page from more than 10,000 indexed in the very important for me part of site is not Supplemental Result.
And only thinking on this for the half of night I decided to stay and to fight to the bitter end. At least because I don't see, why my pages should be suitable as Supp. Results only.
Yes, it is a bit boring - I think we will have to wait for the Data to reach all the DCs before this new infastructure is used - once that has happened then I guess a crawl is required and then finally an update using the new infastructure and crawl to rank websites properly again.
Could be ages...... :(
My thoughts too, it could seem like forever before this gets all straightened out. I hope that I am wrong though and it gets accomplished quickly.
I am hoping when Matt said a month or two before it goes live he was figuring in new crawls and ranking. Probably not but we can hope.
I haven't seen the test results since sometime yesterday, unless they are really using the "jagger" results with the test dc infrastructure.
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