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This quote is from Matt Cutts blog:
I’m about blogged out for the day, and there are better places to discuss this stuff (WebmasterWorld, Search Engine Watch Forums, etc.). The best way to get people to process your feedback is to use the spam report form or the dissatisfied link, make sure that you include the keyword “bigdaddy” and try to be as specific and clear as you can.... I’d be delighted to get webspam feedback, but I’m most interested in hearing feedback about canonicalization, redirects, duplicate urls, www vs. non-www, and similar issues. Before you send in a report, please read my previous posts on url canonicalization, the inurl operator, and 302 redirects.
[mattcutts.com...]
[edited by: tedster at 11:45 pm (utc) on Jan. 4, 2006]
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What is that supposed to mean? That the world revolves around you?
Back here on Earth, huge numbers of websites continue to be effected by errors, refusal to obey redirects and deletions, forced duplications and other issues... all things that hopefully will be addressed "in time" as Matt wrote.
In the mean time, a lot of people are posting about liking or disliking the ranking changes. Normally I couldn't care less about such posts, but in this case it does reveal that very significant ranking changes have taken place which seldom have anything to do with fixes, but of course sometimes it will.
Whenever canonical and supplemental issues are fixed, we'll almost certainly see the biggest update in Google history.
In your post, msg 203 on this thread, you wrote:
" Big Daddy at this point is primarily a ranking update, regardless of what caused it."
Do you still consider BigDaddy as a ranking update?
Thanks.
I agree with you. I think there will be a huge shake-up when google fixes these problems. No telling who will end up where when it is all said and done.
There could be sites with problems that aren't aware of how much it is affecting them and they could just shoot up to the top. There may be others at the top that will fall when competing sites are fixed.
Who knows if there are other "gray hat or black hat" areas big daddy may address that could cause even more shake-ups. I know we have been going through everything looking for areas or things that google may not like or that could remotely be considered something besides white hat.
After this last year I welcome the chance to get a shot at an even playing field in the google serps and to get back into the competition for all the free traffic that google provides. No they don't owe it to me but that doesn't mean I don't miss it and want it back!
Does anyone out there have any sites which are showing big fluctuations in page ranking? If so, are they in a particular market or is it mainly commercial sites that are being hit in this 'Big' PR shake up?
All the best
Col :-)
Ellio said: "Whether you like it or not Google are at least offering more than they have in the past and that should be welcomed."
Steveb said: What is that supposed to mean? That the world revolves around you?
You missed my point. I was suggesting that Google are at least making a public effort to fix the canonical problems with Big Daddy when before any tries at fixing have been hidden in unsuspected "updates" like Jagger.
In our case they have been fixed and our ranking is back accross the board on BD but I did state one post earlier "Not all sites are fixed but nobody said that Big Daddy was finished with his work did they?"
At no stage did I suggest that because we were fixed that everything was fine so no I do not believe the world revolves around me.
You however feel its fine to be very forceful with your opinions often posted as facts:
Right now Big Daddy is just a fairly large serps shakeup, with a small number of specific domains being interpreted more correctly but no across the board fixes applied.
As just one example.
Example of what? That you don't know what an opinion is? Or that no one is allowed to have an opinion but you? If you disagree with something, or have some observation to observe, please do, but otherwise spare us the "nobody can disagree with me" fascism.
[edited by: steveb at 11:45 pm (utc) on Jan. 7, 2006]
messageboard fascism
What messageboard fascism?
A little over the top - in my opinion.
That leads me to think that it will be a new bot, one that is only just in the design process; designed to fix errors in the supplemental database (MC post made no comment about it ever having run before, and didn't say "again" or "next time", just that it wouldn't be out for a while).
I have no idea why the normal crawls can't be used for this? I mean, if a page has an up-to-date cache and an up-to-date snippet, and ranks for search terms that are currently on the page as normal results, then why can't Google update their supplemental database with that information for searches for the same page where the page is still being found for words that are no longer on the page, and which deliver a snippet (for those "old content" searches) that still includes words that are no longer on the real page or in the cache.
Why is this so difficult?
Looking at Matt Cutts' blog recently, he has been making a point of showing us the tricks that some whingers have been up to in the past, using the old page caches as proof positive of their spammy cheats. Is it possible that these supplimentals are somehow being used to calculate penalties by a new bot coming soon?
I only say this because the replacing of old cache and supplimentals doesn't seem too big a task for a search engine like Google ... so, as has been pointed out earlier, maybe they are using them for something constructive.
All the Best
Col :-]
Good morning Folks
I have spent some time on reading the feedback on this thread, and can't see much feedback regarding search relevancy or search quality on BigDaddy DCs! How come?
Whats more important for Joe public searcher than search relevancy where he expect to find relevant sites at top 10, top 20 or top 30 of the serps?
Whats the reason behind that no one or very few have mentioned in their feedback something about search quality and search relevancy?
Thoughts?
Wish you all a great Sunday.
I think most of us here are hoping and looking for solutions to problems with our sites and not really caring for search quality at this moment. I mean who cares about quality if you are not a part of it because of some flukes or hell who know what. Besides, isn't this update less about quality and more about solving "issues"?
Even on matts blog there wasn't much for feedback - quality or otherwise. I was/am a bit disappointed in that.
I guess another reason can be that many of us we give and give and give feedback but not getting much feedback ourselves in return.
To reply to your question about relevancy on Big Daddy, I think we have a canonical issue with one of our sites (though I can't be sure its that) and on Big Daddy that seems to have been solved. So in that sense it is doing what I understand it is supposed to do.
I hope its not too chilly in Finland. In Barcelona its beginning to look like we might see some sun at last.
Scott
Naw that couldn't be it.
>>Even on matts blog there wasn't much for feedback - quality or otherwise. I was/am a bit disappointed in that.
I guess another reason can be that many of us we give and give and give feedback but not getting much feedback ourselves in return.<<
Well said, arubicus.
Its sad to see hundreds of unanswered comments on Matt's blog. Waste of time and efforts on webmasters side, unfortunately.
But that also reflect the decline of Google's communications with webmasters which I mentioned in a previous post.
Still.. I'm very surprised to see Matt Cutts not asking for BigDaddy feedback regarding search quality and search relevancy!
>>I hope its not too chilly in Finland. In Barcelona its beginning to look like we might see some sun at last.<<
Good morning to you too.
I'm in Denmark and it has been very cold here recently, though today we have a nice sunny day.
Yeah I really took notice on that. I know he does not have the time to answer them all nor he probably couldn't without revealing Googles "secret recipe", but just a bit of reassurance could be nice.
In some of his latest posts there was a some clarifications but not really what I was looking for. Which is...WHAT HAVE I DONE SO WRONG AS TO GET DROPPED FROM THE INDEX while I see blatant spam and other crap getting to stay! LOL!
Very interesting reading today on threadwatch.org
Google BigDaddy = SEO Honeypot?
Lets call it FOOD for THE THOUGHTS :-)
Enjoy!
Hi Reseller,
I'm seeing much better relavency / less spam on my local searches (i.e. Home Town Name + business or interest). These searches used to be filled with wasted pages saying "we have no info at this time, but why not take a look at our viagra ads". These seem to have been replaced by real local companies in my area.
I have seen some strange querks however. Every now and again a site pops up which has nothing to do with the search phrase. I mean it's not spam, because the page isn't targeting these keywords ... it just shows up. Last night I made a search for my local industry to see if the spammers had been kept at bay. I found a site which offered building equipment and I'm in web design?
I did sticky DayoUK with the details as he is in the same area as me. I've just checked the test serps today and the sites up 3 places ... All of the others seem ok though - just this one anomoly.
most differences are in old/nonexistant supplimentals being cleaned out of the index and apparently the www/non-www issue being restored correctly - on SOME sites.
Until it gets a new load of fresh crawl data with new PR it probably wont appear much different - any one disagree?
The test serps are on 66.249.93.104, but as mentioned earlier there are only subtle differences in some areas..
Its not there at the moment. It seems to switch on and off depending on whether they are making "changes under the hood" to quote MC.
Yep read your sticky - not really in to web design for other as such so not really my area - not surprised by any results nowadays though.
Folks - MC gave us a test to see if the test data centre is live - it is clearly not at the moment!
i can PM you the url..
If you get giants.mlb.com at #1, you’re searching Bigdaddy. If you get www.sfgiants.com at #1 and an uncrawled url [sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com...] at #3, you’re hitting the older Google infrastructure.
hmmm.. (scratching head)
