Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[tigger]

>after several initial rollercoaster days from start of Jagger (10/15, right?).

it started for me on the 19th so far pulled everything back plus a little more

[tahiti]

things are still not coming back in this updates for my sites. since this socall updates or everflux (whatever) came in late september, my site was affected (dropped from first page result to rank #90+). in my area....google has a totally NEW top 20-30 SERP results for most of the money terms ...

i am prety frustrated on this updates... why? not because of google drop my site. its because of i am seeing MY OWN articles in four of the top ten results (ranked #4,5 and #7,8) for one of the money terms. NONE of these four results are from my site -- all four, yes, ALL FOUR are from a huge article collections site ...two of them got my permissions to use the contents, while for other two ...i dont even know they exist before this updates. further more, the new top result in this term, is a page that comes from a site with unrelated theme, that just simply put up some sales-copy type contents and affiliate links.

it seems that sites with large site sizes win it all in this updates. forget about unique contents, forget about link building, and forget about proper internal linking structure... all you need is just a site with 100k+ pages and keyword^rich link pointing to all your target-pages ..with this, you can rank in any keywords.

Thanks for listening my rant. if you are looking for your joke of the day, try type on "failure" into your google search box and press "i"m feeling lucky" - thats the BEST JOKE i ever seen this year.

Tahiti

[alika]

The sites I'm seeing lording it over my SERPS are big name brands - never mind that they have very little to do with the competitive 2-keyword phrase itself as long as Google finds each of the words separately ("keyword1" , "keyword2" instead of "keyword1 keyword2" phrase). It started on Sept 22 for us, and things still look bleak.

[reseller]

Hi Folks

For the benifit of further discussion and our new kind fellow members, I´m recalling the 3 most important Jagger Update posts of our good friends at the plex; Matt and GoogleGuy.

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msg #:40 new post indicator11:43 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (utc 0)

Just to recap:
- I currently expect new PR/backlinks to be visible in a few days. I'll let you know if that changes.
- madweb had an interesting observation in message #816 of this thread:
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I believe that there is a new binary wending its way out from the group of data centers that included 66.102.7.x . Most people won't notice much difference between data centers, but I believe that those searches are likely to be closer to what to expect.

So just to set expectations, there will still be quite a bit of flux for people to expect near-term. We'll be setting up a way for people to pass us feedback.

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And Matt Cutts - October 19, 2005
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Finally, GoogleGuy posted yesterday or so that a new binary is also wending its way from data centers like 66.102.7.x. And I wouldn’t be surprised if a second stage of the index rolls out around this time next week. I also wouldn’t be surprised if a third stage of the index rolls out the week after that. I just wanted to let people know that there’s still flux to come.

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msg #:29 8:07 pm on Oct 20, 2005 (utc 0)

Dayo_UK, you're going to want to wait a couple weeks. The third stage of Jagger is the most likely to bring canonicalization changes. We're still in stage one at this point. If you still see issues after that, I'd let us know.

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Awaiting more weather reports from Matt & GG. Thanks!

Archive Master - Reseller :-)

[edited by: reseller at 11:26 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2005]

[anttiv]

On many of the serps the first page is filled with big companies. Pages after that have non relevant pages and supplementals. Then on page ~10 you start seeing good websites with relevant info. Why? Because these are the sites that used to be on top but have dropped down several pages.

The update is still in progress but I wouldn't be too optimistic in seeing your sites make a sudden comeback. Google has changed the way they rank websites which means there is something about the dropped sites that G doesn't like.

Though I still hope people would find my 2 main WH sites when searching for the site name or the domain address in brackets. If I search for "www.mydomain.com" I get 8 results and my site is last. Even Matt Cutts' blog ranks above me just because I mentioned the url in my comment.

But hey, his site is PR7 and I'm only PR4...

[zeus]

Hmm a googleguy comment on the non www topic, that could be good news, maybe they are realy doing something in this update, well I hope so, if we are lucky we will also see corrections on the supplemental issue, 302 linking.

[Dayo_UK]

Zeus

Yes, I am cautiously optomistic too.

I am seeing some intresting things, especially in allinanchor searches at the moment on a couple of sites I monitor :)

[zeus]

Dayo - if I take a look at my own site which got hit by the 302 links on google, I dont see any changes, still the non www in the serps after 5 month of 301 and about 600 pages of non www pages in the index, also I see former hijackers/302 links still in the index, but ok they are supplemental, but there caches are still a copy of our site, but the site has removed those 302 links.

Ok googleguy said we will first see real changes later, so I wait, here the 3 nov 2004. my site got hit, maybe it will be back after a YEAR.

One more think I think if they update there supplemental DB alot would have been done to there troubles.

[normasp]

This is my first post in this forum: hello everybody.
I'm a spanish girl and it's very difficult to me explain my problem and express my frustration.
My web is now disappeared with Jagger update.
I've been in first page with all my important keywords, first position since a lot of time, and now I'm in page 4 or 5 only for some keywords (most of them, disappered).
PR is like always, so I guess that I'm not penalized.
The worst thing is that in my place in first page, first position, now is another page with hide text, with a redirection in the link which gives google and with a lot of photos that were stolen from my page..
I've wrote a reinclusion request to Google, like GoogleGuy recommends in his blog, and this is the thing more stupid that I've done in my life because I knew that a robot will answer me, and I did it..
So now, my web is like a stray dog and me..
I´m a stupid girl.
Regards for everybody.

[WebPixie]

Normasp

Sorry to hear that and welcome to WW.

A lot of people are in the same position you are right now and so far no one seems to have any answers. There are two more updates coming so hopefully some of the issues will get resolved.