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I did the rounds to check on the state of various data updates. I'd estimate that the "0.5" (not algorithmic changes, but rather responses to various spam/porn complaints + processing reinclusion requests) should go out this weekend sometime or possibly Monday. There should be a binary push this week to improve a corner-case of CJK-related search, and that new binary should have the hooks to turn on the third set of data. Regarding finishing up the second piece of data, there's still two data centers with older data. Those data centers will probably be switched over by Monday. By Monday, 2.5 of the 3.5 things will probably be on.
Anyone seen any re-inclusion requests go through?
And also I guess the next thing is to guess the dc which may be the future.
[72.14.207.104...] - looks a bit different to me. I am sure it will become clearer when the days unfold.
GoogleGuy asking us NOT to change our pages also hints that this is Googles fault and thus I am now going to go put back all the changes I have made.
[72.14.207.104...] - looks not much deferent to me on the effected sites.
At least it looks like it is possible to return from that situation (not sure if it is classed as a penalty) - so there is hope.
Johan007
Only very slight for me - I guess the one dc GG talked about might not have been turned on yet.
Only very slight for me
Same for me Dayo_UK - I am not holding out much hope for some reason. I think it was after my SERPS dived a second time.
greg
I noticed that on my domains the last Googlebot activity has been on June 5th. Since then, no more Googlebot. Up to the 5th 2 sites got crawled completely each day, on the other one it took a few pages and on the third it took only the index page.
As I said since June 5th nothing... nada... zilch...
Anybody else experiencing this?
SERPs have not changed much but Cache-data has been revoked to May 31 even though the cache had been up-to-date. Weird if you ask me.
3) The recent addition to the site of a large block of "thin affiliate" pages - while these pages only account for about 2% of our total pages, the number is still significant. These pages are nothing more than Title, db driven stock descriptions, address, and affiliate link. A penalty related to this might also be called the "too much too fast" penalty referenced elsewhere - too many new pages in too short a period of time.I am starting to lean strongly towards thinking it's number 3 that has dinged us - not only resulting in poor rankings for those new pages (rightfully), but also affecting the rest of the site.
Plus i bet all of you lost your sites during burbon i bet you have been add a few thousands pages just before the update so G's Algo got's you at the wrong moment.
Another theory bites the dust.
Donīt Panic...yet ;-)
We really donīt know yet which set of serps will be the winner.
Maybe as Dayo_UK mentioned... "I am sure it will become clearer when the days unfold. "
This update started 3 weeks ago, isnt time to change subject? Is becoming a bit boring. A few weeks or months or days it will be another 1-5 serials of threads about the "kentucky fried chicken or whatever" update- when the pages that disappeared in bourbon are back in the coming soon KFC..whatever update and the pages that where tops in bourbon gone fishing....What is the point? I have lost 2 sites in alegra and they are back in burbon,some of us probably know Google's games. Me, I have lost a few sites in past got them back now and some others gone fishing until next update ,that means 1=1.-.Lesson looking to the future-get as many domains as you can and keep them in your Arsenal ,you never know what brings tomorrow.Hey ..and do not forget inbound links ...
Plus i bet all of you lost your sites during burbon i bet you have been add a few thousands pages just before the update so G's Algo got's you at the wrong moment.
No. I for one added nothing.
[edited by: Clint at 12:13 pm (utc) on June 7, 2005]
Folks!
Donīt Panic...yet ;-)We really donīt know yet which set of serps will be the winner.
You may find it intresting to note that i had six sites all very different in design and style, some with more content than others all related to travel (can i say that), some ranking very well (1st for massive keywords), some sites worked on more often than others, some with a lot of new pages others with none. All on different IP address and hosting companies, all sites more than 5 years old and finally and most importantly all affiliates.
I have seen my income go from one that allowed be to keep my family fairly well to a situation were a have no income what so ever. My sites have gone they have either disappered or dropped down the rankings to a situation were they can not be found.
I asked google guy on his question and answer forum if this was a penatly on affilaites and to be fair he replied very promptly. I have posted his remarks below.
"union_jack, I think the value you give to users is often proportional to the value add of your site: unique content, a unique service (e.g. comparisons of different cell phone or web hosting plans), or even a unique perspective. Too often though, affiliate sites don't add much value to users.
It's fine for someone to say "the user wanted to book a hotel room, and I let him do that." But if 50 other sites are trying to do the same thing, and those 50 sites end up crowding out good results like the hotel's real home page with an actual phone number, then those 50 affiliate sites are clearly hurting diversity, esp. if all the sites are cookie-cutter/templates or nothing but repackaged feeds.
So my answer would be to think hard about your value-add compared to other affiliate sites in whatever niche you're targeting."
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I found it intresting that he used travel as an example as i have never given any indication that the travel indusury was my field of work. I would also have to say that on all 6 sites i have added content relevant to the site, the content has been researched and written by myself over an 18 month period, so it is unique and relevant, this however has not stopped google wiping me out.
I am not bitter, i still belive i can get by but it does really beg the question are affiliates finshed and if so who replaces them - Big multi national comapanies that more and more have a monopoly on everything we see and do. Is that good for Google and the internet in general.
>"You never know what tomorrow brings", well that's for sure.<
And allow me to add; No site is BULLETPROOF when it comes to Google updates!
I feel for you as I am in a similar situation. I initally thought that the last few updates was an attack on affiliates - I no longer think that way. Especially as some of my sites which had no affiliate content started to suffer.
the question are affiliates finshed and if so who replaces them - Big multi national comapanies that more and more have a monopoly on everything we see and do. Is that good for Google and the internet in general.
Problem is that it is the big multi national companies that run the biggest affiliate network and sometimes it is the moms and pops that get pushed out.
But I suppose it all comes down to unique content.
Hope things improve.
Cheers
Dayo
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 12:29 pm (utc) on June 7, 2005]
I'm in your same position as per your comment of "I have seen my income go from one that allowed be to keep my family fairly well to a situation were a have no income what so ever. My sites have gone they have either disappeared or dropped down the rankings to a situation were they cannot be found. What I can't understand is how you are not bitter. I am FAR BEYOND BITTER. I'm watching what I've busted my a$$ over for years, go down in RUIN. I've had ONE @#!%# sale since May 21st. ONE.
So who should be penalised? You, as the innocent party or the site advertising for affiliates? :-) Lol, though that's probably oversimplifying the case!
However it appears the current SERPS don't seem to show this opinion.
>I am not bitter, i still belive i can get by but it does really beg the question are affiliates finshed and if so who replaces them - Big multi national comapanies that more and more have a monopoly on everything we see and do. Is that good for Google and the internet in general.<
No..No...No.. Affiliates are not finished, only those who havenīt learnt yet how to PRE-SELL and do serious marketing for their PRE-SELL pages.
Affiliate program marketing is a legit business model which requires knowledge and hard work, as like any other business.
In respect for the TOS, Iīm not gonna give examples of successful affiliates, but those of you who are involved in affiliate program marketing know several examples for sure.
Furthermore, there is no indications that Google penalize PRE-SELL pages which add values and benefit the searchers. GoogleGuy mentioned something to that effect too.
[edited by: ciml at 12:43 pm (utc) on June 7, 2005]
[edit reason] No specifics please. [/edit]
I understand Google view that it might indicate a throw away domain - but cant see that having a massive impact on sites (might flag something) - certainly cant see how that could result in the reduction in ranking that you have experienced.
It has come to my mind that it maybe not a so good idea to add tons of content to your site at once.
That's just plain wrong. It goes against everything the web is about - instant information, ability to add data quickly and efficiently.
Sorry, had to comment on this:It has come to my mind that it maybe not a so good idea to add tons of content to your site at once.That's just plain wrong. It goes against everything the web is about - instant information, ability to add data quickly and efficiently.
In reply to the marketing of sites (Reseller) i am glad your doing okay, however my experience has been that all my pages have gone of my sites included pages that were in the main information only.
I read in to what google guy says to mean that affiliates will go unless we each come up with a novel approach to our sites.
I do agree that results are poor and certainly not an improvement and yes i would say that if if was doing really well.
Good Luck Guys
