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12:02 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from part 3 here: [webmasterworld.com...]


I did the rounds to check on the state of various data updates. I'd estimate that the "0.5" (not algorithmic changes, but rather responses to various spam/porn complaints + processing reinclusion requests) should go out this weekend sometime or possibly Monday. There should be a binary push this week to improve a corner-case of CJK-related search, and that new binary should have the hooks to turn on the third set of data. Regarding finishing up the second piece of data, there's still two data centers with older data. Those data centers will probably be switched over by Monday. By Monday, 2.5 of the 3.5 things will probably be on.

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hmmm,

annej asked specifically about

<a href="blue.html">

vs.

<a href="http"//www.mysite/blue.html">

I thought to be more specific, it was more a matter of using the slash (absolute) vs. not using the slash(relative)

as in:

<a href="blue.html">
vs.
<a href="/blue.html">

Or am I wrong on this one?

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I know where you’re coming from Caveman. When my order forms start ranking well I usually know Google has swung those knobs a little to far. Not that they aren’t terrific looking forms but no way should they be ranking that well.
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<a href="blue.html">
vs.
<a href="/blue.html">

Or am I wrong on this one?

I could fix that a lot faster. My site is all hand done by me so it needs help on consistancy. Nothing automated so it will take a while.

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After 250 pages on debates which is the conclusion about iframes?
I have two small sites which used to be indexed and used to rank for their name (keywordkeyword) and even for the keywords on their name separate with spaces.
Now, both are gone.
The only sin I see is both site were too small and have lots of amazon links.
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After 250 pages on debates which is the conclusion about iframes?

Check GG's comments, msg #6, at:

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Okay, NOW I see some changes in the SERPS. Anyone else? It might be a hiccup, but AOL and Netscape have the changes too.
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>>Okay, NOW I see some changes in the SERPS. Anyone else?

Yeah, so much for improvements. All our pages dropped another 5-10 positions.

Odd, I'm also seeing some cache pages out of whack. On pages we changed yesterday. I'm seeing some have dropped back to May 29 in the caches, while others are showing Late last night.

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A few posts back I made the assumption bourbon is over. If I am correct, the new Google does not seemed to be a new and improved Google.

Just doing searches on several different topics...

In the top 10 results at least 1 and in some subjects areas 4 of the top ten have nothing to do with the topic searched. Lots of directory type sites with adsense. Not much really good relevant returns.

Oh well...I don't really care anyway, but it seems with all this drama we would have seen some improvement.

As a side note...all the sites listed in the top ten in the various subject areas that are in no way relevant...the cached versions have no on-page keywords, just links pointing to that page with the keyword.

Google gives way too much weight to off-pages factors...that is the crux of their problem.

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Bourbon may or may not be over. That said, one oddity has persisted throughout this update (and continues to persist). For widgets (plural) I am #4 with the snippet being that found in the directory. For widget (singular) I am #12 with the snippet being the meta-description.

Both show the same cache date (6/4/05). Both are identical urls. The snippets are dependent on the search term.

I have never noticed snippets being dependent on the search term before...

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willy...

it's been that way with my site ever since i can remember. For widget's its my meta descrip. in the listing and ranked anywhere from 6 to 12 depending on google's mood or datacenter. for widget (the singular) its a snippet and ranked poorly...maybe on 3rd of 4th page.

Don't understand why...on page keyword distribution is about the same for both plural and singular. also both plural and singular are mentioned in the meta description also.

We might as well just give up on trying to figure out what makes google tick. It's all way above my pay-grade.

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Is This Update Over. I am hoping Google is just fluctuating still. I too have searched for the typical keywords that I have ranked well for Years. the results are spam sites now that do not even make sense and sites that are just a entery into other sites. I do not understand. Is it possible that the update is not really finished and google is just in a funk right now until it is sorted out?
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another thing...

my money keyword is a two word phrase ie; blue widgets and the meta description i guess from dmoz. like i said ranked 6 to 12.

throw in any 3rd word like "wholesale blue widgets", discount, fuzzy...anything in the world you can imagine I ranked 1st for all of them. That's great anyway as it brings in more targeted traffic. But it seems like if one dominates when an added adjective is added...logic would assume one would dominate the two word phrase also.

hey...this has nothing to do with bourbon...so I will just drop it, but if you have any theories willy...please sticky me.

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Is This Update Over.

GoogleGuy said (possibly in another thread) that some minor changes would occur within the next couple of days, with more substantive changes (I think he used the term "indicators of search quality") being phased in before the Webmaster World search conference in late June.

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"One thing I'm fairly sure of. Those who are pleasantly surprised to see your sites in the top 10 for the first time ever, or the first time in very long while ... don't get too used to it ... not for a few more days, anyway."

Site launched in nov 2004 came out of the sandbox during this bourbon update, google traffic has tripled this last week....However I'm noticing that on these dc's below the site is back in the sandbox. Anyone else seeing different results at these dcs?

216.239.59.105
216.239.59.104
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.9.99
66.102.11.99
216.239.59.99
64.233.183.104
64.233.183.99

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caveman

>As for the actual update...y'all remember that, right? ;-)<

Still remember when you introduced "The Fat Lady" for the first time to this thread ;-)

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Folks

According to GoogleGuy, the 0.5 part of the update should take place today, if it hasn´t been completed already during the weekend.

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Friends!

With reference to GoogleGuy Bourbon isn´t over yet. Its expected to end around the start date of this conference ;-)

[webmasterworld.com...]

Here is what GoogleGuy wrote on 3rd June 2005 about the schedule of the remaining parts of Bourbon update :

>I did the rounds to check on the state of various data updates. I'd estimate that the "0.5" (not algorithmic changes, but rather responses to various spam/porn complaints + processing reinclusion requests) should go out this weekend sometime or possibly Monday. There should be a binary push this week to improve a corner-case of CJK-related search, and that new binary should have the hooks to turn on the third set of data. Regarding finishing up the second piece of data, there's still two data centers with older data. Those data centers will probably be switched over by Monday. By Monday, 2.5 of the 3.5 things will probably be on.<

And here is what GG wrote 1st June 2005:

>Here's the advice that I'd give now: take a break from checking ranks for several more days. bourbon includes something like 3.5 improvements in search quality, and I believe that only a couple are out so far. The 0.5 will go out in a day or so, and the last major change should roll out over the next week or so. Then there will still be some minor changes after that as well. So my "weather report" along the lines of <snip> would be a recommendation that rankings may still change somewhat over the next several days.<

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i work for Computer Active Magazine UK

How did ya know what the URL was? and no, it aint the one in my profile, it's a business site.

Just a wild guess really.

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Does anyone that was gone with Alegra is back with Bourbon?
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Something has certainly been added back into the mix - one site has risen massively and another one is out of the sandbox completely this morning.

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Good for you nutsandbolts.

I am really waiting for some people posting that there re-inclusion requests have been succesfull.

GG - indicated that re-inclusion requests would be processed with this 0.5 - when we start seeing some re-inclusion then we can think that 0.5 has been about done (i assume)

Anyone seeing any reinclusion?

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Something's happening.

I had one site that was affected badly by update Bourbon. For several days Google referrals were restricted to about three keyword combinations. This morning, several others have started appearing in the logs.

Here's hoping ...

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I'm seeing a couple of sites running wild and free from the sandbox on a couple of the DCs, they were also showing on .co.uk earlier but have since switched back.

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My affected site has tanked further. Off the scale for the main SERP - well I can't find it yet. It started dropping yeterday and continued today.

On the up side two domains are looking like they are emerging from sandbox - although I have to say that I don't put much hope in this as yet.

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On the bright side, MSN search referrals have actually stepped up the last few days enough to fill the Google gap here.

If Google comes back, and MSN stays where it's at, they'll make a nice three way horserace with Yahoo!.

Which, when you think about it, is the best outcome overall.

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I see on my google.com (66.102.9.99) new serps which weren´t there for 3 hours ago.
BTW, this is the first time, if I recall correctly, that I hit that DC.

[edited by: reseller at 11:38 am (utc) on June 6, 2005]

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just a thought...there are some "city -name-widgets" MONEY KW's that have a strong filter at the top 10 for some exclusive guys and dolls sites, funny though ,those guys and dolls are bulletproof in every update....(talking about sites with 0 absolutely NO CONTENT AT ALL) just bookings( I am talking by the way about travel and hotel sites). And by the way that's the biggest industry on the net today and tomorrow.By the way a trip advisor site has gone to url only...(at last something good).
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reseller, the 66.102.9.99 data center does seem to have some major differences in regards to the number of results reported.

One search I watch has increased from 12,400,000 to 19,400,000 and another from 593,000 to 812,000 results reported. Pretty big jumps! However, there are no changes in the first 10 pages of results. From a quick scan, they look to be identical search results to my normal Google results.

Maybe they are in the process of adding a bunch of new sites which haven't necessarily propogated throughout the results yet. Or maybe ... it means nothing at all and the number of pages reported includes sites which have been dampened or sand boxed. Interesting though!

Anyone taking odds on whether or not this number changes dramatically sometime soon? "Searching 8,058,044,651 web pages" :)

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> My affected site has tanked further

if this is just the 0.5...can't imagine what the 1.0 left will be :). GG had said that by Mon the 0.5 would be finished

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>>>GG had said that by Mon the 0.5 would be finished

Well - he said probably be finished.

(I dont really expect anything to happen until about 10.30pm ish(uk time) - 3pm-4pm Google time.

Things tend to happen when I want to go to bed.

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