PageRank of Zero?

Is my site blacklisted or just not optimized

[dinnerware]

My website <edit> has a pagerank of zero and has never been optimized. However, with a Page Rank of zero someone told me it was blacklisted by Google. I have never done anything to fool Google etc. Is it just because it has no relevant content/has not been optimized? I thought it would at least get some rating after being indexed.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

[edited by: rcjordan at 3:36 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2003]
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[hercules]

only if the pagerankscale is grey you're blacklisted otherwise yoy don't have any pagerank(yet);)
Hercules

[netguy]

Hercules - I hope that's not the case (on grayscale being blacklisted)... I just put up a virtual domain yesterday that is a grayscale today. It has never been used before (have had it 3 years), and the same server is spitting out PR3s through PR6's for other virtual domains.

[Kandevil]

Pagerank grey means the page isn't indexed.

Pagerank all white means page rank 0. Which means you've been blacklisted.

If its all grey Google just doesnt know you exist yet. Time to get some links to your site. :) Especially DMOZ

[brotherhood of LAN]

AFAIK, grey is the best indicator that Google doesnt know about the URL. Basically its not in the index.

a white bar means no PR, but google knows the URL.....

I was speaking to someone last nite who had a nice bio-website. They last designed it on the 12/2002 and it still says PR0. I think in his case he needs to get links.

If it were ever above 0, and now it is 0, Id assume penalities have been applied - or the small number of links that were there dissapeared between crawls. Most of the time the 0 is "deserved" and is not a penality.....its just that in the grand scheme of things, the page is unimportant.

Check out the google FAQ at the top of the forum.

Kandevil

Pagerank all white means page rank 0. Which means you've been blacklisted.

Not the case, watch you dont start a PR0 stampede ;)

[netguy]

Great! Thanks Kandevil for the clarification. Most domains have been up for years, just through an index on the new virtual to see what PR did. Thanks again.

[Kandevil]

Good call Brotherhood I assumed that dinnerware had already had a pagerank and thus that now he was down to PR 0.

Re-reading his post, I'm glad for your clarification on the blacklisted issue.

[mrguy]

Grey can also mean your blacklisted.

It depends on the age of the site.

I had a customer who had someone work on their site and put up spammy stuff. The site had been up several years and had a PR of 5.

The spam was such that must of been caught by a filter and the result was:

A grey PR bar.

Showed over 100 backlinks to the site.

When doing a search on the domain, it was not listed in the index.

If that is not a ban, I don't know what is.

However, the grey bar also shows up on very new sites.

So, it depends on the situation.

[netguy]

mrguy.. that's what I've grown to love about these forums: actual experiences that, combined, give us all a good idea of what all to expect. Thanks to all!

[takagi]

Hello Dinnerware, welcome to WebmasterWorld.

When I look at the site, and check the backward links in Google, it turns out there are a lots of pages (Google found 57 pages so far), and few inbound links from pages with a high PR. The incoming PR is spread over many pages, what could explain the PR0. There are 2 pages with high PR linking to you, but they don't show up in the G's list of back links. Are these new links? Out of these 57 pages, only the first 22 on the SERP show the title plus snippet. It is a new site?

You also have many links from another site (looks quite similar though). And this site has also PR0. Is there a reason to have 2 different sites?

My 2 cents.

[dinnerware]

I am not aware of another site? How can I tell what the two linked to me are? I thought there were non, I am working on getting a few vendors to link to us. It is a fairly new site (1 1/2 years) but I have never done anything to optimize, only used PPC which is getting to crazy. I am dazed and confused!

[takagi]

Hello Dinnerware,

If you site is www.mydomain.com, search in Google for: mydomain

You will see, that Yahoo added a link to you, but this link doesn`t show up in the backward links of Google. You will also see the other site I asked about (H*collection). It looks like a copy of your site. You really don't know this one?

[dinnerware]

Takagi,
I see that. When i type in dinnerwareetc I get 94. Are these all considered inbound? Yes the h#collection was our previous domain name that we kept due to people finding us that way. What I think has happened is if you access our site from this domain name it places it on the same links as dinner#etc. Does that make sense? IS the Yahoo link...The Yahoo shopping one? It has a PR of eight does that not help? Why doesn't google pick it up?

[takagi]

If you keep the old domain, Google will see the same content on 2 sites, and ignore the most recent one (or according to other people here at WW the one with the lowest PR). Maybe it is better to remove old site, except for the homepage, where you explain customers to go to your new site.

If you do so, Google will no longer see double content. It could be, that the double content is also the reason the Yahoo link is not showing. If it is a recent link, it is also possible, Google didn't see it yet.

[dinnerware]

Last question. I can do that if necessary. The other domain (herendc#) simply points to the site (dinnerwareet#). Technically, there is not two seperate sites (one site with just two domain names) so does this still need to be done?

[takagi]

Sorry, I forgot a few of your questions.

>When i type in <snip> I get 94. Are these all considered inbound?
Those 94, are not all inbound links. Most of them (57) are from your D-site. Of the remaining 37 pages, 35 from the H-site.

>IS the Yahoo link...The Yahoo shopping one? It has a PR of eight does that not help?
The Yahoo one is PR8, so althouh you share is with many others, it still looks nice.

> Does that make sense?
Keeping double content is never good. Keeping the other site with new/other content could help. But IMHO, it is better to remove the old one except for the homepage, as explained before.

[takagi]

> Technically, there is not two seperate sites (one site with just two domain names) so does this still need to be done?
Yes. The problem is not 2 sites, but double content. They can exist together with unique information. The expire date for the H-site is (according to WhoIs-database) 2003-06-22. If you think most customers can find your new site by the end of June, you can let it expire.

[BigDave]

The impression that I have, which may be incorrect, is that there are two different types of penalties than can be applied.

grey bar - you are not in the index. This could be for the following reasons:
It is a new site or one that had no incoming links at the last crawl.
Your site was down during the last crawl.
You are blocking googlebot from your site.
You did something so bad that they totally removed your site from the index by hand.

PR0 - in the index with very low PR.
You need more good incoming links.
Sometimes happens the first month you are in the index even with good links.
You received a PR penalty, probably through some automated method.

I suspect that there are also PR penalties that reduce your PR without taking it all the way to 0. This would explain the sites that are able to bring their home pages up to PR3 after a penalty but their inner pages are still at 0 because the penalty on the inner pages would also apply to the PR coming from the home page that is also under the penalty. But this is only a theory.

[Kandevil]

BigDave - i like your theory and it makes a whole lot of sense.