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nervous_seo

1:38 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am being killed by the competition because I refuse to employ similar tactics.

Please answer a simple answer - YES OR NO?

IS THIS SPAM:

SETUP 100 domains - All unique content

Create a links page for each domain.

GET 100 links from other websites pointing to each domain

Link back to reciprocators from EVERY links page sothat every links page on each domain is IDENTICAL.

This means you will only need to look for links ONCE and use the same infrastructure for each domain.

IS THIS SPAM? I think so - if so then why is no-one being punished? Its not just one or 2 webmasters doing this.

I see it as a major problem! and it gets worse every month?

IS THIS SPAM?

netguy

1:48 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would certainly say it is.

I had a somewhat similar situation occur the other day with a competitor of one of my clients. On the surface, everything looked clean, then I ran a link: check and noticed the competitive site had over 7,000 links back to his site!

Upon closer investigation, I see that he is using a clever (invisible) image map, with links going out to a dozen other sites. The pyramid then all comes back to the competitive site - giving him a PR8!

As one put it in another forum, in the 'old' days, all we had to worry about was keyword optimization, meta tags, etc - now it's a whole new ballgame with the linkbacks.

Iguana

2:06 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another simple question is:
does this form of spam work?

If Google was a pure PR driven search engine then all this would do is redistribute the PR more evenly between the 100 sites.

Do you think that the number of links matters? If the number of links matters then does this include internal and external links? Maybe anyone can employ this tactic just by generating 500 links pages on their own site (but risk getting banned)?

nervous_seo

2:08 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think that linkbacks are a very important feature. Provided the backlinks come from relevant sites with similar themes.

Imagine if no one had any web etiquette - Googles job would be a lot harder search results would be in a mess.

It just grates me that the few that dont give a hoot are getting major benefits by employing easy spam tactics.

netguy

2:15 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nervous_seo... I don't think Google has fully incorporated the 'theme' approach yet - if at all. The competitive site I went through a few days ago (business related), was receiving hundreds of links from everything from an Opera house - to sex sites. And they ALL had PR 5's or above!

This is definately getting out of hand!

nervous_seo

2:16 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Iguana

I dont quite think you understand what the example is.

Waht I mean is 500 links pages not on one site but rather
500 Links pages on different sites - differnt domains.

So now I have 500 sites and am ready to go get links.
I send out 500 emails to ANY WEBSITE saying i have five hundred websites. You link to my 500 websites and I will link back to you FROM my 500 websites.

Now all I have to do is maintain ONE links page and upload it to 500 differnt domains.

The result :

Yes it works and its so easy it can be done in under 2 months. I have seen 10 -15 newbies in my industry just this month and they are all doing the exact same thing.(what I have described above).

One or 2 more months and I wont be able to afford being so "MORAL" as I am slowly being eaten alive.

Iguana

2:28 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I see what you mean - but does the NUMBER of EXTERNAL links to your site matter?

In PR terms, if all the pages were PR4 and they all had 100 links on then they would in total only give the 100th page a PR3 boost (PR4 divided by 100 * dampening factor). Which won't help a page very much.

If the number of external links matters then does this also work for internal links?

nervous_seo

2:36 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PR has no bearing here. I see PR4 pages outranking pr7.

Its just a matter of having as many incoming links from other websites with keyword rich hyperlinks.

The outgoing links pages only purpose is so that you can reciprocate to those sites giving you the links.

How you gonna get sites to link to your 500 websites if you dont link back?

One site even has a noindex, nofollow tag and the poor reciprocators are GETTING NOTHING BACK - puh!

SlyOldDog

4:36 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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poor reciprocators

Ha ha! That's the best laugh I've had all day....

jranes

4:43 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The biggest problem with this is that if google is going to make backlinks such a huge part of PR then they should do a heck!*% of a lot better job of picking up relevant backlinks. I have probably 30 great related sites linking to one of mine that they never pick up. And the crap they do have in my backlinks list is a really random pile of crap#$%& . The world is being built on a sandy foundation if you asked me. PR and backlinks the way they are done now won't last much longer in my opinion.

beachedfish

5:08 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a question about cross linking sites you own. I have 10 sites all in the same category (fishing & hunting) with completly different content and design. I have a links page on each site that points to the others. Is this considered SPAM?

If a webmaster runs many sites and they are relevant to each other with different content and design (legitimate sites) then there should be no problem with linking them together right?

mbennie

5:12 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My understanding is that if the links are of interest to the site visitor cross linking is ok. If the links exist for the puropose of increasing PR then it is spam.

jbauder

5:20 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nervous ...

I think by having the 500 links pages be exactly the same you are creating your own link farm between you and anyone who exchanges links ...

If I were going down this path (which to be honest I wouldn't) I would certainly make sure that the links pages have different links

I think the same links on 500 sites all connected should be pretty easy to pick up

jk3210

5:22 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Maybe the biggest key to their success is the "100 domains - All unique content" part.

nervous_seo

5:23 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thats what I thought. It should be easy to pickup but its not being picked.

Having differnt links on each page would legistimise the tactic - doing it like that is REAL HARD WORK!

Dulpicate links pages is the easy way out and peple are getting away with it

beachedfish

5:25 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How could that automatically be ascertained by some algo? And if that is true, then the example that started this discussion would NOT be SPAM if the 100 links where relevant to the visitors of the 100 sites, say for example all sites were in the same theme i.e. “health and exercise”.

rfgdxm1

5:58 pm on Mar 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>nervous_seo... I don't think Google has fully incorporated the 'theme' approach yet - if at all.

I don't think they have at all. Biggest problem with this idea is that it would be very computationally intensive. This would mean for each link Google would have to compare the content of the linking site to the linked site.