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iam david lee

6:07 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi

I have a site in google already registered few months ago, now i have created another three sites with different domain and different content. But my Hosting company has given the same IP for all four sites. Now if i just put few link from the already registered sites to other sites and also cross link my 4 sites will I have problems...

Thanks
David

hakre

6:12 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hi david, welcome to webmasterworld.

think about your links: are they usefull for your visitors? if yes, place them on every page they make sense.

they are usefull for google to index your pages anyway. it will help you to get the other pages indexed. if you do crosslinking really massive, then maybe you can get probs. for example, read the thread '70 plus websites all almost all gone - crosslinking got me banned [webmasterworld.com]'.

fathom

6:20 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi iam david lee & welcome to WebmasterWorld ;)
Basically your host would be using a virtual IP for all web sites.

It is unwise to crosslink between domains when hosted in this fashion.

If budget constraints do not allow multiple (different) hosts to allow unique IPs and you still wish to crosslink - before using a crosslink strategy get numerous exchanges in other reciprocal links to increase your unique IP (inbounds links) before linking your own sites together.

The less uniqueness between total inbounds to each site the greater the chance of being penalized.

netguy

6:24 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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David... I understand your concerns. I have had dozens of websites crosslinked for several years without any problems. I think the biggest concern is what Hakre mentioned - does the crosslinking make sense for the visitor.

I have never intentionally crosslinked anything for SE advantage, just convenience for our visitors (these are mostly news and information sites i.e. sports, current events, etc.) and it is logical to have links going to such related sites.

The more I read these forums though, the more concerned I get. I will soon be reviewing my approach to see if 'logical' linking is going to get me in trouble.

iam david lee

6:33 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the info...

I think the links are useful for the visitors but because its the first time the 3 new sites are getting registered I am a bit worried. On some pages i have put four links to different section of another domain site. So i think i might be better off removing the crosslinking fully.

Also another question is i submitted one of the new sites to google few weeks ago but there has been no visits from google bot according to the log files... So will i still get added this time or do i ned to wait till april or may.

Thanks
David

netguy

6:37 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just as an update David... I took another look at the guy with the 70 websites that got banned, and he clarified what he did...

HE said: "I built one website of approximately 50 pages. I then copied it 70 times."

OF COURSE this will get a person in trouble!

David, you may want to wade in slowly as you mentioned. Get some stronger PageRank on your first site before adding to it with links.

jamesyap

6:40 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I also know about 'cross linking penalty' after I join webmasterworld. But strickly speaking, I do believe there are such penalty (too many people speak about it here) but I just don't feel like it is a very strong/important filter tool by google.

The reason is simple. I just saw TOO many sites cross linking and is still performing well with google. I see no point why google should penalies a site if the site which cross links provide useful information to his visitors.

For me, I think like linking 10 sites with 50 pages each is equivalent to 1 big site with 500 pages.

hakre

6:46 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hi david, you can submit your page to google and wait ... wait ... or you can put a link onto a page which is already in google that links to your new website and then submit the new site. this will speed up things really.
for example, i've got one old website and made a new one (other domain name etc. pp.). i placed a link on the homepage of the old page to the new website and then i submitted the new one to google. 3 days later, the new website was displayed in the results (crawled by the freshbot). one month later it's displayed in the results (freshbot & (monthly) index). it was really better to crosslink the pages.

later on i came to webmasterworld and then i read about so many people fearing to crosslink their sites. my only honest tip is to do so if it makes sense for the user of your page(s) and for you as webmaster. even if there are a hundred links ;). and another point of view: if crosslinking would be really dangerous (if you fear google ;) ), sites would stop doing link-exchange - but i think every webmaster and webmistress still does.

if you don't trust my words or you want to get own experiences on this, just make your own test. only crosslink two websites to each other and take a look which one is indexed first. :)

dwilson

7:13 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting confused. How is the proscribed cross-linking any different from exchanging links with other webmasters?

I have a personal/niche site & have exchanged links with family members who also have personal/niche sites. We are doing rather well in our niches, though they have little in common & are cross-linked.

I am about to launch a more serious information/commercial site. I expect to link all these personal sites to the new site. I also expect to link the new site back to the page of my personal site that describes the web design I do. Will that get me penalized?

I have further plans to develop several mini-sites on different themes. Would linking them to each other hurt? For example, if my site on laptop computers links to my sites on digital cameras, programming software, and inkjet printers and those all link back to each other, is there a problem? Does the problem get worse if all those sites are on a single IP address (which is the economical & sensible way to go)?

Thanks for the help.

dwilson

netguy

7:22 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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dwilson... I've had numerous domains running between 2 of my servers (2 IP addresses) for years with no problems. But as I mentioned above, they are logical links for visitors to go between them. I would assume that it is logical to go from 'laptops' to 'camera' sites as well.

The only thing I've learned though, is in the first couple days in this forum, I have had members with MUCH more rating than me as a new member say that I'm crazy, and it's just a matter of time before my 'plug is pulled.'

I still contend, like some others here, that if you have quality content, and are providing convenient linking for your visitors, that Google won't wipe them out. (otherwise I would have been gone a long time ago).

BigDave

7:26 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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David,

Give yourself one link from one or two of your sites that have their own incoming links. If you do not link back for now you should be fine.

Then once you have some PR, concentrate on getting other people to link to you, get in some directories. Then once your sites have a the majority of their links coming in from other sources, you can start kicking up the cross-linking

hakre

7:34 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hi folks,

just create some in-forum-links about crosslinking with very detailed info. there is really a lot of stuff about it around here. sometimes it's called inter-linking:

maybe i'll pick up some other cases by example on it soon.