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Also, I find that you can typically expect 7-10x the clicks that they predict if you land in the top 5 for Google search results and about 3-5x if you land 5-10.
I have a group of 6 adwords for experiment the last 2 weeks and have not found that to be the case. Very niche with results around 26000 and estimated 2-4clicks a day each. I'm in the top 10 for all, number 1 and 2 for one of them and 4 and 5 for 2 more and I get about 3 visits a day from them without the adwords running.
Maybe my title needs a bit of work! :)
Brett stated above that "I wonder where WT is suppose to be
getting their results these days since WebCrawler slammed
the back door."
What's the scoop on this? Does WT no longer get "fresh
Moreover, is WT still worth using and paying for? If not,
what are the best current tools/sources for researching
and selecting keywords?
- you know the source
- 150 Mio searches / day
- biggest player / market reach
- it's free (as long as you don't buy a campaign)
- you can set up test ads and run them with different keywords, time frames etc. This way you'll also get a nice impression of the click through for various keywords.
- you'll probably spend a lot for all this nice adwords cause it's so easy to set them up ... allthough you prob just wanted to use the keyword suggestion tool ... ;)
I also want to learn about and try out whatever the other
best or leading keyword research tools are, as I am new at
I was going to try WT also. Brett's post made me wonder
if WT was no longer worthwhile to use.
Anyone know the scoop or just have an opinion on WT's value
for doing keyword research for new site planning?
Trusted Feed Programs (if you have a big enough site and can splurge for .25/click) can be a great source of keyword research. You just throw a data feed out there for a few hundred or thousand pages, see what happens, add the good keywords to Overture/AdWords. Identify the pages that suck, throw some new data out there and repeat.
Same process as optimizing a site but when you don't have to change the site or worry about maintaining a cloaking system it's so much faster and easier. :) Of course that's basically just pulling on MSN (for lots of markets anyway) even if you setup in FAST, AV and Ask as well.
Webcrawler left their "search tracker" log file open for 4 years. It was a bare raw flat file of the last 2k search done on WC. When Excite and WC switched last year, WC finally figured it out and close the door on that file.
That was where every keyword word site was getting data from. Aside from the microscopic and "loaded" data of the search spys, it was the only public one I know of available.
I have talked to every major search engine and asked if they would allow access to their keyword db on a commercial basis. Although they were willing to discuss it, all have said they were not interested - they will not do such contracts at any price.
Only the public Overture and AdWords system are currently the only available data.
The search spy pages at a couple of engines are such bad data and intentionally corrupted data, that they can safely be discounted out right.
So, what's that leave for live word tracking data on the net? Nothing.
In other news, I would not be surprised to see one, two, and maybe three new keyword reporting systems available this year from major search engines ;-) (heard it here first ;)
Interesting last post.
I find quite a lot on the web that facilities die off very quickly indeed.
If wordtracker is no longer accurate, are they not liable for obtaining money by deception? In two forms.
a) Year long subscriptions which have been purchased are no longer viable. Therefore, the product sold is not "fit for purpose".
b) Continued claims of accurate data are untrue - if of course their source has now gone.
If their data is no longer accurate as advertised, how come their directors arent sent to prison?
Maybe they are still accurate - who knows?
In terms of accuracy, I often find phrases in the results which are absolute nonsense when compared to a sample adwords campaign to test impressions. In these cases, I have noted in the past the string in the WT database often has each of the words with uppercase letters at the start.
"Wordone Wordtwo Wordthree"
These words do not warrant a capital letter, and yet sometimes the above string far surpasses its lowercase counterpart in terms of daily searches - and an adwords campaign reveals only a small fraction of impressions against the daily searches listed by WT.
Well - there goes another hundred bucks.