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Google loves guestbooks!

Who can prove otherwise?

     
8:05 pm on Jan 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The number one position for my main keyword and #2 position for another is occupied by a site with about 40 guestbook links coming in. It is a very competitive word as well.

I have read here that this is not recommened for obtaining higher rankings, well it worked for him, why not me?

For those who say its a matter of time before google will drop him....how long? does anyone have an example where this was done before? He has been at the top for 4 months now.

Someone give me a reason not to sign those guestbooks!

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Someone give me a reason not to sign those guestbooks!

Professionalism for one. Long term strategy for another. If you don't care about either one of those, then go for it. Sign away. ;)

<edit>I was being sarcastic with the "Then go fot it. Sign away." remark. I don't want to mislead you!</edit>

[edited by: pageoneresults at 8:39 pm (utc) on Jan. 22, 2003]

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If it was lines of hidden text instead of guestbook signings, would you still consider doing it?

There are many other ways to get links, all of which will last longer and stronger down the road..

It's all just a matter of time, Talismon.

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I saw you joined 2003, go and take a look at the older update threads, and i think you will see a point:
Edit: Found it:
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[edited by: lazerzubb at 8:27 pm (utc) on Jan. 22, 2003]

8:22 pm on Jan 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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talisman,

how many other links apart from the Guestbooks do they have coming in?

how competitive is the "keyword" "number of results"?

how well is the designed (seo'd i mean)

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!NEVER EVER SIGN GUESTBOOKS!
!NEVER EVER SIGN GUESTBOOKS!
!NEVER EVER SIGN GUESTBOOKS!

believe me, you will really regret it one day!

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Okay,

Lazerzubb-- dont see the point in the thread you referenced.

Shakil - not many other links, they are not even currently selling the product

-1,740,000 for the main keyword in google

- site design sucks...its about 4-5 pages and nothing to really look at, the only way I can see they have this positioning is from guestbook links...sticky me for particulars if you wish, be happy to answer any questions.

huhufrufru- easy thing to say...but why will i regret it?
just the facts please :)

8:42 pm on Jan 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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talismon, did you read that thread?

The most common thing in that thread was that sites had been banned since using Guestbook signing and FFA links.

And look at the names which was hit, those are not ordinary people!

That's the thread and time when PR 0 became a known name!

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Google should be decent and put down the value of every specific guestbook page to PR1.

It is impossible to host a guestbook on any authoritative site.

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just the facts please

Fact : Signing guestbooks is unprofessional and considered spamming by Google.

There you have it.

:)

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Your competitor is too lazy to sign only 40 guestbooks. My competitor signed 1000+! :)
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its been said many times previously...

why would google penalize a site for appearing in a guestbook? it would be prudent for google to discount those links, not penalize, because signing a guestbook can be done by anyone, especially your competitors.

It seems basic guideline for PR ranking would be to only take into consideration those things that the site CAN control, while attempting to deftly manage those things it can't.

I didnt say it was easy...

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I am not saying, DONT SIGN THEM, but sign them carefully, and don't do it only for the link pop, because then you might get a blank bar above :)
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Google is correlating guestbook signing with Google toolbar visiting and searching data.

All 100 plus Guestbook signers are grouped together (amongst others using the similar search function) and will be bleeding soonest..

That is why they are waiting a while.

Just to add to general paranoia..!

Neglection is not the only solution. Google has to show lowest Pagerank for Guestbook pages to keep the spammers away, whilst letting the innocent use them for whatever purpose they see fit.

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This has me wondering. I sometimes sign guestbooks and put my url. Will this affect my google results? I have only signed 4 or 5 in a year or so.
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Is your site totally clean otherwise? Then you can get away with signing the guestbooks.

If it isn't spotless, then it can influence a human that is reviewing your site.

It is not enough to get you penalized on it's own, but it does not look all that good if all your PR comes from guestbooks.

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>>Someone give me a reason not to sign those guestbooks!

I've got a boatload of useless PR0 affiliate sites that helped me kick the habit

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as slyguy said: Signing guestbooks is unprofessional and considered spamming by Google!

i can only give you this advice: DON'T DO IT! JUST DON'T!
be honest and fair when optimizing your website, it takes time until you have a good site. only newcomers sign guestbook, read this thread:

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HuhHuhFrufru....

Did you get penalized for this?

I would have to agree that this practice is rather
"grey area", and unless your market is online gambling
or male organ enhancement, I'd say stear clear, and just add good quality content to your site instead.

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Guestbook signing is probably not penalized as such since to do so would allow your competitors to ruin you by signing guestbooks as if they were you.

Uou never know if something really is wrong until you are penalized fpr it. So IMHO the rule is whenever something is questionable, don't do it unless you can live with the penalty. You'll be very happy if/when your competitors are penalized!

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Guestbook signing worked for a while, then everyone who did it (almost) got penalties.

It seems to be coming back again, I too have noticed some sites doing it lately.

It appears to work short term, but long term, I doubt it.

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This is way too paranoid. I do business seo work, but I also have a personal genealogy site that has been around for years before google was even a mote in it's daddies eyes. I have always signed guestbooks at other genealogy sites. It's a research tool which is an enormous resource for people doing genealogical studies. My genealogy site has never been banned, nor have any other genealogy sites that I know of. This would just be a ridiculous action on googles part if they want to provide value in this area. Also there is the question of competitors signing for you. I don't think Google is going in this direction. It would be a big mistake. And I take offense to the statements on professionalism. Any professional genealogist is going to leave his or her calling card in as many guestbooks / forums as possible.
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I have always signed guestbooks at other genealogy sites.

If you are signing guestbooks that are relative to your site then I see no problem with it. Google does not automatically penalize for guestbook links. Typically a manual review is required and the guestbook links are just one of many infractions that are usually found.

Now, if you are out there signing every guestbook that has a PR5 or above and it is not relative to your site, product or service, then you are treading into a gray area. It is definitely not a professional move and the owners of those guestbooks may not take too kindly to you spamming them.

A little bit of common sense and professionalism go a long way. TheComte, it sounds like you are maintaining a level of professionalism with your guestbook entries and keeping them on topic. There are many others though, who use them for one purpose, link popularity. I've seen some marketers sign hundreds of guestbooks, I've even had a few try to drop URLs in my 3 year old daughters guestbook, how tacky is that?

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thecompte,

thanks, after reading everyones threads, I have decided to pursue guestbooks that are related to my site. All the talk of unprofessionalism is a scare tactic by seo's who do this for a living. I'm a marketer and my job is to increase traffic. If this will get my site higher rankings, its my job to do it.

Obviously signing any guestbook I can find could hurt in the long run. Google cant possibly penalize a site for signing a guestbook with a related product. After all, thats what they are for!

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Actually, I believe the original meaning behind a guestbook was so you could leave a brief message to the owner about their site.

It's like when you go to a wedding and they have a guest log at the entrance, they want everyone to sign so they know who came and can save it for memoir purposes.

Very few people read guestbooks. They are not a means of commercial advertising. Most are there mainly for people to leave comments about the site they are visiting. Unfortunately, they've taken on a new meaning after PageRank and Link Popularity were unleashed on the public.

P.S. BTW, I believe Google has already implemented something in the algo that discounts guestbook entries. It's easy to do since most guestbooks are named guestbook.htm.

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talismon, I would not take this lightly. A merely informational site is less likely to get trashed in a hand review than a fully commercial site. The hand review is even much less likely to happen - far less snitching going on in noncommercial areas.

What I can't understand is why there are still guestbooks out there allowing for more than just plain text.

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If this will get my site higher rankings, its my job to do it.

Uh-hum, it's those types of statements that usually end up getting people in trouble. Just be careful with what you do and you should be fine. Approaching SEO/SEM with the attitude of "If this will get my site higher rankings, its my job to do it", may cause some issues at a later date. ;)

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What I can't understand is why there are still guestbooks out there allowing for more than just plain text.

Hehehe, do an allinurl for guestbooks and look what is happening. Guestbooks have become as popular as link building programs. Another gimmick which will soon take a plunge if it hasn't already.

Any pages that allow a visitor to drop a URL at will are problem areas unless they are moderated and/or governed by a set of guidelines. Open guestbooks are sure to end up in the SEO Tools graveyard just as so many other short term solutions have.

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talismon,

Guestbooks aren't going to help your site. the problem is that your site is very google unfriendly. Google cannot reach the majority of your pages.

The best thing that you can do is to hire one of those SEOs, that you just badmouthed, to help you fix up your site so that it actually makes it into the index. No mater how much you build your PR on your home page, it won't do you much good if you don't have all your pages in the index.

You also have a lot of backlinks that do not seem to have links to your site anywhere on their pages. How do you suppose that happened?

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But I too am in the genealogy space and I make a point of NOT signing guestbooks because I think it is spam. I worry about Google penalties because I get 2,000 referrals a day from Google. And that's not counting the Yahoogles, AOLoogles, etc. So there are two points of view even in our limited space, TheComte. I don't think guestbooks are per se penalized but I think they could be. If all your inbound links are from guestbooks and a human being looks at it, look out. It may not be an out and out PR0 but it could be enough to push you down in the serps. I mean say a competitor does sign you into 1,000 guestbooks but you have no other inbound links, why should you appear high up in the serps?
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