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Another thing I notice. For sites who uses some auto/semi-auto (not machine gun) link exchange tools, such as linksmanager and zeus doesn't have a PR they deserve.
I seen site with 3000+ inbound links with only PR6.
Google are not blind. Only deserve links get more weight while links from guestbooks, message boards, mailing list, forum, groups, and now links page will lost weight or even ignore!
I do really really think link page has less weight. I bet those pages with filename links.html or link-exchange.html will be cursed.
Just imagine you are google researcher and you want to return more quality results, would you put much weight on outbound links from link page/link exchange program?!
also take into consideration that a guestbook page with 300+ links is a heavy diluter of Pagerank transfer...
But how does Google or any other SE distinguish between a links page and a web directory?
thats a question i asked myself, too. i also have got a long link page on one of my pages. i ever liked to link because it's such a nice thing in the web. does google now honor this or is it a no-no. how does the algo digs in?
but they'll never tell what kind of fuzzy-reciprocal-polymorphal logik they programmed, or the link-farm freaks will takeover google completely ;)
But how does Google or any other SE distinguish between a links page and a web directory?
Canary,
I assume you mean distinguish between a link-farm links page and a web directory?
The links in a link-farm links page all tend to predominantly link to each other. You might find them clustered together in the "similar pages" function of Google.
The links on a web directory page predominantly link naturally, one way towards the resources.
ran a test site with only Guestbook links still ranking and holding PR even though the inbound pr is falling fast i think the site will only last 1 maybe or 2 updates, Then I will take the site down.
DaveN
2. I am opening a new thread on PR vs # of links. [webmasterworld.com...] Please discuss.
[edited by: jamesyap at 5:47 pm (utc) on Jan. 22, 2003]
remove the . after your link
tig's
[webmasterworld.com...]
some other question:
i have a link-page that links to many other pages related to the same issue. often these pages link back to my site on their link-page, too. does this mean, google will treat this as link-farms? that would be totally wrong.
Is it just the GB pages that went grey or did it influence the rest of the site?
That would be an easy way to keep high ranking GBs from being abused, just identify those that have a really high PR and just remove that *page* (not the site) from the index. It doesn't really penalize anyone.
jamesyap asks:
1. Do you guys think google will reduce weight on a page named links.html or other extension?
Absolutely not! Google loves links pages!
In fact, the first month Google came to my site, they only spidered my root and my 3 links pages links.php?type=<category>. They know that links pages are the best place to find links to other sites that they may not know about.
Unlike Guestbooks, links pages are controlled by the webmaster. And remember that the VAST majority of websites are run by people who do not know or care what PR is. They also know nothing about the idea of reciprocol linking. They just put up a links page to stuff they like, which is what google wants to see.
VAST majority of websites are run by people who do not know or care what PR is. They also know nothing about the idea of reciprocol linking
GOOD POINT! By the way, what is GB? haha ...
Just the GB pages not the site.
see another 10% turn grey today.
DaveN
And, the problem with guestbooks is the vast majority of signers are people who sign guestbooks with no concern about PR. Somebody here recently posted they were into geneology, and always signed other geneology site guestbooks for greater exposure. I know a woman who absolutely insists on signing the guestbook of any site she finds if she notices it has a guestbook. She must have signed hundreds over the years. Guestbooks mostly are put up by webmasters who have them so people can stroke their ego and say they found and liked their site. Particularly useful for webmasters on free hosts that don't have access to stats, or on pay hosts and don't have log analysis software. The guestbook is the only way they know people found their site. The flaw is Google's that they have been slow at recognizing guestbooks, and just not ignoring the links on them. Hopefully the original poster in this thread is right, and Google is fuguring out how to ignore guestbooks rather than to try and penalize sites that appear in guestbooks.
And hence if a page is being voted many times from different GB, I think it will still get high PR too..
Anyway, I will have my report card from google by early next month. Do leave me a message if you would like to know it..
:)
I think you are missing 2 important points. Toolbar PR is shown on a logrithmic scale, and the PR vote of a page is divided by the number of links on that page.
Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, and work with the most generous numbers that I can find. Toolbar log base of 4, and a damping factor of .1. I will also assume that all the Guestbooks are a PR4 and that there are only 30 links per page including internal navigation links. You could possibly get a PR6.
If we just change those numbers slightly to make them just a little bit more believeable. Toolbar average PR of 3, .15 damping factor, log base of 6, and 40 links per page. You are now a PR4.
And I think those numbers are also being very generous in your favor.
What is the PR of all those guestbooks that you signed? What was the total link count on each of those pages? Did any of them use javascript to make the link? How much time did you spend signing 1000 guestbooks?
rfgdxm1,
You don't need to hire a bored teen or teach your kids to sign 1000+ GB anymore! Just buy it for $50 from FillDeCube to attack anyone you want.
I don't know how googleguy will response to this! ;) But once they realize there are such a tool, I don't think they will ban a site so easier anymore.
