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This month has been kinda rough, after just quiting my day job and now I am starting to see some pagerank 0 pages on my main site?
Anyone that would like to have a look just check the site in my profile. I have been very careful not too cross link any of my sites. However I have have linked out from this main site and it is starting to worry me.
Two of my other sites that last month were pagerank 5 sites now have a grey bar and now I am seeing pagerank 0 pages?
I just to add new content to my older site about 2 or 3 weeks ago and I don't think it would have made this update but now these pages are a pagerank 0.
Check the "cookware" page in my navagational bar near the top.
Should I worry now or later?
Brian
Other pages that are commercial in nature have rankings of 5 and 6's?
What to do?
Brian
do you use frontpage? i see all kinds of tags you could remove. al those mstheme's.
and it would be smart to go external script in the head it just too much.
ow, your site should start with <HTML> not with <head>.
might wanna add </HTML> on the end.
Did you add that popup recently like within 2 months ago? if so, then it's defentely the script for the popup in the head.
I would suggest: Go external with the javascript, or else remove the javascript and replace with html.
Just seams kinda wierd though, no problems for nearly 2 years and then all of the sudden ..... 0
The bot had no problem with my other pages and seams strange to have pagerank 6 pages next to pagerank 0 pages.
Brian
[edited by: Marcia at 5:32 pm (utc) on Jan. 4, 2003]
So if you already had that popup when you had the pr5 then that's not the problem.
I am guessing it was this code, I am hopping anyway!
I have removed the code and will keep my fingers crossed. Any other ideas?
Brian
P.S.
Thanks everyone for helping ... after quiting my job this is kinda (ok really!) scary.
Brian
1) The resort town.
2) A local gorge.
3) A hotel review.
4) The resort's famous mountain.
The articles are based on my standard editorial template, are interlinked, and have been featured on my home page at one time or another over the last month. The first of the articles to be published (#4) was picked up in the early December crawl, and the others were picked up by Google's Freshbot. All were showing an estimated PageRank with the "Category" icon until the update, whereupon articles 1, 2, and 3 got a PageRank of 0 on every page while article 4 has a PageRank of 5.
The only factor that the articles don't have in common is timing: Article #4 (the one about the mountain) was published in time for the early December crawl, while articles 1, 2, and 3 missed that crawl and were picked up by the Freshbot. This looks like a GoogleGlitch to me.
(Note: You can see the articles by clicking the URL in my profile and looking for the name of the German resort (and, in the annotation, the local mountain) on the home page.)
It sounds like even though the others were picked up Fresh after the last crawl, it could take the current regular crawl to assign accurate PR. If that's what's happening the PR0 pages should reflect actual PR in the January update.
Make sense?
I'd be inclined to wait a couple of days and see what happens with Fresh listings.
I also agree with Marcia's theory. It doesn't seem like a penalty to me, particularly because the page still comes up within searches.
BTW: Don't you think, the googler's may love gourmet cooking sites!? You know how these yuppies are ... i don't think, they penalize you! ;)
One interesting thing: My article on the gorge (see my previous post) comes up #1 on the SERP for its English-language keyphrase even with a PR of 0, which suggests that either:
1) PageRank may not be as important as a lot of us think, or (perhaps more likely)...
2) The PR in the toolbar doesn't reflect the actual PageRank of the Freshbot-spidered pages that are showing PR0 at the moment.
Your comments are helpful as I think they relate to my PR0 page (just added towards the end of December). This page has a white bar.
Europeforvisitors, are your 3 pages white bar or grey bar?
Idaho
Here is my post inadvertantly posted as a new topic:
<small>I have a site with 25 to 30 pages. The site had two pages with PR5 and all the rest were PR4 with a few PR3s.
The last update was very helpful. Most of my pages are now showing PR5 and my main keyword phrases moved in the SERP from positions 9 and 10 to 3 and 4. I had one term jump from around 90ish to 10 on a search term with about 80K results. My traffic has doubled in the last two days. Thank you everybody who posts here.
My question is:
Sometime in about the 3rd week of December, I added a new page and linked to it (internal links)from a couple of places on my site. I also linked to it from two other site's link pages (external links). The new page was quickly indexed and showed fresh dates several times toward to last week in December. It showed up in SERP position 2 for its theme for a day or so. I think it had a PR of 3 or 4.
Then it disappeared, presumably due to everflux. Then it showed up again for a day or two and then disappeared again. Now, it doesn't show up on an "allinurl" check. It is also showing a PR0 with a white bar. :0
Is this still everflux or do I have a penalty? I can't think of a reason I would be penalized. Any ideas?</small>
I wouldn't worry Idaho. Normally it takes up to two updates for full listings with proper PageRank calculations. So any changes from November 27 to December 31 should hopefully appear in the next update at the latest.
The Fresh listings are a nice bonus, but you shouldn't rely on their stability.
Europeforvisitors, are your 3 pages white bar or grey bar?
White bar. (And it isn't just three pages--it's three articles with more than a dozen white-barred pages.)
BTW, I've noticed something else that may be related to what we're seeing: When I publish a new article, the article will frequently rank #2 or #3 for its major keyphrase after Google's next update. It may then jump into the #1 position with the second update after publication even though it doesn't have any new backlinks (from me or from anyone else). This suggests that it may take more than one update for a new page's PR to be calculated accurately--and the PR0's that we're seeing now may simply be unusually extreme versions of the "delayed full PageRank calculation" phenomenon.
To be honest, the Freshbot is so good now that for new pages I don't think it matters. (It still matters for new links to existing pages.)
Eric Schmidt said [webmasterworld.com] they wanted to be more current; less than a year later we're taking it for granted.
I wouldn't say unusually extreme, europeforvisitors
Well, I said "unusually extreme" because I'd never seen Freshbot-crawled pages in the index display PR0 after a Google update. Normally I'd expect to see PR4 or PR5 on such pages after the update.
One other new page is pagerank 5. Both have links form our home page.
It really looks like a common problem.
SOD
I thought it was so cool, till it got me PR0 and dropped. So if you added some JS code since last update, get rid of it. If its the same code as always, it wouldn't hurt to load it externally.
Learn basic HTML coding and start cleaning up your code too, don't be too dependant on frontpage. I was the same way with dreamweaver when i first started, now it's much less cluttered. If you haven't converted to using CSS, its a great way to clean up your site too, I suggest you learn it, and load a JS file and CSS file both externally.
Also make sure the page is not too similar to a page on another site (like a links page that you may use at both sites?).... or even similar within your site. I've seen high PR sites that are in their own little network with all their links pages all PR0.
I've also seen some people make pages specifically for certain search engines packed with keywords, get PR0 even though the site was high PR, so don't make these heavily optimized doorway pages.
Agreed. Our page which is PR0 is also the same as all our other pages, just a different language.
