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Directory Navigation - huh?

         

needhelp

3:31 am on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sorry if this is a dupe question, but I can't find anything on this subject using forum search...
I was told directory navigation does well on GG - I'm not even sure what it is, but my developer says my new site's directory navigation is preferred by GG. Any thoughts? Or at least, can anyone explain dir. nav. to me - my developer is too techie to help me understand (or maybe I'm too non-techie)

p.s. sim spider seems to whiz through the site just fine.

Thanks!

jamesyap

1:00 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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the answer is Your developer is too techie because even me don't know what is directory navigation. Or maybe I am non techie. haha

jackofalltrades

1:09 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



My guess would be that he was refering to a hierarchal navigation strucure.

For example

Home
Home > Widget Directory
Home > Widget Directory > Blue Widgets

I would say that google would prefer these pages (clarification - not that google prefers them, but that they are more google friendly) as you end up with more internal links and more pages.

For example

Your Widget Directory page has links to all your widget pages (blue widgets, small widgets, widgets for sale), which all should link back to your directory page.

I think this is a good way of maximising internal PR and its also easy for your users to find what they want (assuming it is done logically).

This method also means that each of the main pages of your site (home, main directory categories, etc) have many links back to them.

You could also have a horizontal navigation between your widget pages.

For example

The page:

Home > Widget Directory > Blue Widgets

could link to the page:

Home > Widget Directory > Green Widgets

with a "next widget page" link or something like that.

I may have gotten it totally wrong though! :)

JOAT

jamesyap

1:43 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok I add something here I know -

Google likes shorter URL, they don't like yousite.com/1stdir/2ndsir/3ddir/

instead most people claime that their page rank will drop by one by entering 1 directory deeper. So if yoursite.com get PR 5, 1st dir will get 4 and 2nddir will get 3 ...

Another thing is, how many clicks do you take to reach a page in your site? An important page should not be reach for more than 3/4 clicks. Design your page with 3 in mind is the best.

kfander

2:01 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What seems to work best for me is to use a flat directory structure, but with hierarchical navigation.

In other words, from the navigation you would click through from topic to subtopic, but the actual pages are all at second level.

I do have a couple of sites that are structurally arranged by hierarchy, and I seem to have a tougher time getting PR to the internal pages.

For very large sites, particularly those relating to a variety of loosely or unrelated topics, a hierarchical subdomain structure can work to your advantage in that internal pages can pick up their own PR. In that way, I think you have PR moving upwards and downwards.

But for that to work, your internal pages need to be strong enough to accumulate their own backlinks.

martinibuster

2:16 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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but the actual pages are all at second level.

most people claime that their page rank will drop by one by entering 1 directory deeper.

Just clarifying:

For the purpose of PR, what determines what level a page is located on within the directory structure, you must focus on how many clicks away from the home page it is.

If all your pages are located at root level, or within multiple directories (index/dir1/dir2/dir3) is irrelevant.

It's how many clicks away from the home page.

So, if you have a gargantuan web site you may want to consider a Site Map to bring special pages closer to the home page.

needhelp

10:01 pm on Jan 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Awesome info, thanks! I make sure to put text links from my homepage to all internal pages (except specific product pages), so they are just 1 click away. From the sound of it, that should keep me PR-safe. Right?

Thanks again!

mack

9:33 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think jack hit the nail on the head. There is also a very good topic known as the pyramid effect.
here...
[searchengineworld.com...]

Google likes sites that use clear directory structure and each directory contais unique content.In general class each directory as a "mini site" and keep it on content, if you find your content starting to change then create another sub directory for this new content for example
site/product...
site/product/widget...
site/product/widget/2

digitalghost

9:59 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>directory navigation

I think he is referring to taxonomy and the reason he thinks it does well is because typically, taxonomic sites create clearly focused pages. PageRank is all about pages. Don't let any of these jokers kid you into believing otherwise.

I have several sites that have higher TB PR on 3 dir deep level pages than they do on the root. If a page derives all of its TBPR from the index, then expect a lower TBPR on the subpages. Anyone talking about "site PR" is talking through an orifice other than their mouth.

mack

10:03 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I dont think there is any way of increasing site PR bases entirely on your internal navigation, I feel each site has a PR value and your navigation simply determines the distribution of this value.

brotherhood of LAN

1:26 pm on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Anyone talking about "site PR" is talking...

Agreed DG ;) I think the main assumption people make about "site PR" is because 99/100 times most of the PR will originate from the home page

I think Brett's theme pyramid will also go under the same assumption when explaining it (though Ive not read it in a while)

Perfectly fine to have high PR pages at the bottom of the pyramid of course! (just means people have been linking to the page directly)