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page vanished from index - PR-bar is gray, keyword-ad is still there

     

sonja

8:09 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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we hope that someone can help us:

two of our sites (formerly 5/10) are gone...?!? the googlebar PR ist now gray for our sites...

our keyword-ad is still there.

googlebot's last visit was on Dec/23.

we used a cgi which could recognize if there's a browser or a spider. if there was a spider we delivered a seperate content.
we did this because most of our content is result of a perl-script, so the most bots can't spider it.
in this "separate content"-site we copied our real content - composit in one site. there was no "fake-content".

both sites link to each other site, because of the content (cat-magazine + cat-literature).

any idea what happened?

any idea what we did wrong?

any idea what we can do now?

thanx :-)

best regards from germany...
sonja

[edited by: sonja at 8:36 pm (utc) on Dec. 30, 2002]

8:21 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome here sonja.

Please remove your URLs as it is against TOS here.

Your sites were perhaps considered to be cloaking and penalized.

8:30 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yup sure as shooting - you got zapped for cloaking.

First thing to do is remove the cloaking - Google gets angry if you are showing the spider different content than the users - for whatever reason. Then email Google and fall on your knees and beg for forgiveness - with any luck you will be back in the index in 4 or 5 months.

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Hi sonja,please, remove your urls. That's not allowed here.

About your site:
Grey bar never means penalization. Grey bar just means that Google hasn't assigned a PR to your page. Maybe because it's new maybe because google is updating

(!กก)>> Lets dance!

8:33 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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it is not updating at the moment :-(
8:35 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Digimon,

Can you explain what exactly IS a sign of penalization? A PR0? Or is it possible to have a PR0 site without penalization? (maybe just one or two low PR incoming links)

Regards,

Vic

8:37 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you were banned it would show a white bar 0/10 for your PR
8:46 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Grey bar never means penalization.

This is not correct. I have had sites banned for cloaking that acted exactly that way - grey bar when Google first discovered the cloaking, then a white bar after the next update.

<added>Google is not dancing at the moment</added>

[edited by: Lots0 at 8:48 pm (utc) on Dec. 30, 2002]

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It seems as google has banned a lot of sites. I have some search terms and since 30 minutes all search terms produce not so many results as some days ago ...
8:50 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Can you have a PR 0 and not be penalized? In other words, could your PR actually be that low?
8:54 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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yes it is possible (theoretically) to have a <added>true</added> PR0 and not be penalized - the page just has to have NO incomming links at all.

[edited by: Lots0 at 9:37 pm (utc) on Dec. 30, 2002]

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For sure, is not dancing. Not yet.

Anyway, Lots0, Don't you think that If I wanted to announce the begining of the google's update I wouldn't have created a new thread especially dedicated to it?
Lets Dance because the update is near, really near...

And if you see a grey bar you can't speak about penalizations. And even you can have a withe bar and not be banned. If youx are still in the index.

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>Can you have a PR 0 and not be penalized? In other words, could your PR actually be that low?

Toolbar PR0 actually means PR <1, so it's quite possible to have a legitimate, unpenalized page that's PR0.

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Digimon said,
...if you see a grey bar you can't speak about penalizations.
As it seems that english is not your first language - Would you be so kind as to expand on this statement. :)
9:41 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>PR0 and not be penalized - the page just has to have NO incomming links at all.

>>Toolbar PR0 actually means PR <1, so it's quite possible to have a legitimate, unpenalized page that's PR0.

Yep, and I think that gray bar and white bar can both mean either of two things.

Gray bar - Either 1) Google does not have enough information about the site (doesn't know it exists as yet) - or - 2) a hand applied ban. Both result in "Current page is not ranked by Google." The first will be changed as Google finds the site by incoming links. The second, get down on your knees and beg.

White bar - Either 1)A site with not a heck of a lot of incoming links - or - 2)a site with a substantial number of incoming links with an algorithmically applied penalty. Both result in PR<1 and both can be worked out of.

Too many views, too many ideas. Wish Google would just up and tell us what is what. Would make life much easier.

Jim

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Wish Google would just up and tell us what is what.

Me too, but that is never gonna happen. So for now we will have to depend on our own research and experience or on the ranting of people that parrot some idea they read in a forum somewhere. ;)

9:57 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Grey means it's out of the index. It can mean that there was a glitch on Google's end or it may simply mean that the site was off line for the last crawl. Sometimes sites are just lost until they're found again.

I had one out last December, for the entire month. It was nothing more than the server timing out (host had overloaded servers, persistent slowness was a problem). The site was grey on the toolbar and back in the following month in exactly the same position. It's happened more than once, it's nothing to be concerned about if the site is clean.

If a site is out and was just crawled, chances are it'll be back in at the end of January, as long as it's a clean site with no cause for being banned.

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Lots0 you are right. English is not my first language.Anyway my error was caused by writting quickly.
About the grey bars Marcia has explained it perfectly. I support her words.I've had the same experiences with a site hosted in a non-reliable server