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Case2 - The other case is say if I put one advert page in this website about my services and give 2-3 diffrent page links from that site to our site then is it a spam?
Case3 - If I put links of all my clients on each others site saying that this websites where made by our company thus cross promoting each other. Then is this a spam?
Craig
In case 3 = having links from client to client could be borderline. If its a related industry, then id imagine it would be OK.
It boils down to - is it useful for the visitor? Are links from one clients site to another really that useful for them?
In case 2 = if your client has no objections to you having a page on their site, with a few links to different pages then i dont see the problem. If its on their homepage however, there could be issues. ;)
JOAT
imho staying close to what would be considered a "normal" linking pattern is playing it safe, and that's not what would normally be expected.
Is web hosting relevant to the site (in your clients best interest)?
It's almost like adobe putting their logo on every document created, "This brochure created by...". I wouldn't consider it "best practice".
Myself, I place a discreet "powered by" text link at the bottom of the index page, below the footer.
Or maybe "this label printed by misterlabelcompany"
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If we've got "Copyright 2002 by whoever" with a link back on each page, that's legal and necessary. I just had someone try to steal credit for something a few months ago. For a fact, I found a link to a message board in the stats and followed it. Caught red-handed. There's a thread here at the board about it. My having screenshots of MY copyright on each page prevented it from happening. That type of screenshot is the best possible type of documentation - even better from the Google cache. :)
But that's another issue - for purposes of Google, I seriously doubt if they'd consider it dodgy to do what's the norm for an industry and protects people's rights.
...there's no use... to place a link on every page. If I'm not mistaken, this isn't going to boost your pr.
I disagree. Any link, internal or external, distributes the PR of that individual document. You'll usually get the most benefit out of a link from the home page as most sites have their highest PR score there. But each page has it's own PR.
You want one link from Yahoo or a link on every yahoo page?
What if one of those client site subpages has a dmoz deeplink from a PR8 cat?
rmjvol
Or maybe "this label printed by misterlabelcompany"
This exact practice is done in many industries.
Provided it is done with consent there is absolutely nothing unprofessional about this practice in any type of business.
Case 2 is very similar to case one if you do it too much.
Case 3 can be done with a small number of sites.
If any of these sites were mine you would be paying for advertising or the link would be removed.
[edited by: startup at 4:04 pm (utc) on Dec. 17, 2002]
Case 1There is a inbound links filter.
The filtering is sporadic at best.
In the example search link, there are only 2 displayed backlinks from WebmasterWorld, but if you dig further, there are dozens upon dozens of indexed inbounds coming from a few of the sites.
On top of that, an even greater number will be displayed if you go to the end of the SERPs and click the "include omitted results" link.
It is always interesting to easily know who your competitors customers are. :-)
Personally, I love to look through people's portfolios, particularly if I admire their work. But in cases where they also do SEO - that I might not get to see.
It's still a normal practice in the industry, so I don't believe links back from all the pages would incur a penalty. GAG members would have a fit. At one time I did suspect that some were being disregarded. If that happens, the ranking could drop a bit because of some lowering of PR but it's not the same as a penalty.
For legality purposes it is a must - whether or not the tag "DESGINED BY BLAH BLAH" is made into a HYPERLINK, is another story, but is still legit..
When I have completed it and they have paid for it, it and the design becomes their copyright. If they want someone else to work on it in the future or to move servers or do whatever they like with it, (except anything that causes my repute to be damaged) I do not try to stand in their way.
Various clients have come to me from agreements like yours and have been more than glad when I can replace the items on their web sites which their past designer claim they still own for a relatively small charge making their web site truly theirs as they usually thought it was anyhow :-)
Marcia "People don't necessarily reveal all of them."
Indeed your are quite right.
I just don't see the need to reveal any of them easily. Back when selling real world products to people in a very competitive market I learnt the hard way that you shout about your customers with great care.
I shouted about a very important new customer all over the media with the result that all of our signifcant competitors started up a dialog with them within 3 months.
When we did have a small issue with that customer they had lots of options to switch to another supplier and did so.
Mark
Each to his/her own.
My case involves an existing PR5 site which we'll call SiteA.com.
A subsequent design of SiteB.com had a linked footer on the bottom of every page acknowledging that it is "An initiative of SiteA.com" . It could just as easily have said "Website design by SiteA.com". SiteB.com had very few incoming links at that time.
SiteB.com went from top 10 to page 26 or thereabouts in Sept. I have gone over this site so often that I'm sick of seeing it, and the only thing that seems a possibility is that somehow those links on every page from the low PR, low inbound links site to a higher PR site have triggered a links penalty.
I've since taken off all footers except the index page and tried to boost incoming links. We'll see what happens in the next update. For me the jury is still out on the use of footer links.
Would be good to get a definite Googleguy comment on this?
And never ever crosslink between the clients websites...its toooooo dangerous. If you want to do it only for the reason of cross promotion ( not PR purpose) use Javascript links
When you line up 3 or 4 keyword rich links at the bottom of a clients page, and then do that on each and every page thereafter, we all know what that is for, in most instances.
There's is nothing wrong with signing your work and having a link to your site from each page of your clients. I seriously think Google and others have taken this into consideration and filter out the value of the duplicates. Repetitive offsite links at the bottom of every page leave a very distinct pattern. Easy to filter out.
My feeling is that a link from the home page is fine, that's where most of the power will be anyway. If you are going to link from the bottom of every page, come up with a standard tagline and be consistent across the board. I see people getting really creative with their link text, I'd think about the near future in this scenario.
By the way, the most widely used WYSIWYG html editor does self promotion by adding a tag within the header of every html page it generates.
Ted
Its not the way "I DO BUSINESS" - however it is the correct way to "HANDLE COPYWRITE LEGALITIES"...
To help everyone else out - GET an attorney to write you up agreement/contracts. Any good attorney will know how copywrite/rights works. From there, put your "signature and/or a link on the pages you create. :)
