PR6 on small site

[Jon12345]

I have a site with PR6 and it only has about 8 pages. Is this unusual? Why is it PR6 when my other much larger site is only PR5?

Jon

[jackofalltrades]

Its all about inbound links.

Maybe your smaller site has more, or the sites linking to it have a higher PR.

JOAT

[Jon12345]

Smaller site has far fewer links than the larger site. Not sure about the PR ranking of the linking sites though. Didn't think I had any with a PR of greater than 5.

[jackofalltrades]

ODP category perhaps?

If you cant find a reason behind it....keep quiet...it may be a mistake and they might manually change it! ;)

JOAT

[seindal]

As far as I have understood all the debates about pagerank here, it is not unusual that new sites have a high PR the first month and that it can drop to a more 'just' level the next month.

René.

[rfgdxm1]

>ODP category perhaps?

I know of at least 1 ODP category that getting into is enough to get a PR6.

[ciml]

Jon:
> Smaller site has far fewer links than the larger site.

The Toolbar uses a scale that normally makes the PageRank of the incoming links matter considerably more than the number.

I'd expect one link from a PR7 page to give almost as much PageRank as a thousand links from PR5 pages (where the positions of the pages within their PR notch are equal, and the number of links on those pages is equal).

The affect on ranking, though, appears not to be the same.

[BigDave]

> I'd expect one link from a PR7 page to give almost as much PageRank as a thousand links from PR5 pages (where the positions of the pages within their PR notch are equal, and the number of links on those pages is equal).

So, you are suggesting that if the toolbar PR is a log scale, that it is it increases by a factor of 31?

Most of what I have read suggests a factor of 6 or 10.

Do you not think that it is a logarithmic scale? And if it is, why do you come up with a number that is that much higher than everyone else?

[ibpotter]

Hi,

I recieved a PR 6 as well - my very first time in Google. I am, however, surprised, that my default page has 6 and all the rest 5. Is that commen?

My site being very new, has no ingoing links - only from Dmoz. So I am very pleased with my one PR 6 and 240 PR 5. Mid U, I will probably drop next month..... finding it very hard to get people to link to our site...

[jackofalltrades]

Its common for your index page to hold a higher PR than the rest of your site.

Interestingly, i launched a new site last month, and I had a PR7 link from DMOZ, and one PR4 link from another site and i got an overall PR4 after the update! :(

Its gone up to PR5 this month though! :)

JOAT

[ibpotter]

I seem to have been in luck ;-) - after all. Hope it will stay that way....

[Fiver]

8 page sites rock.

seriously though, trying to find the right 'sized' page for google is a long-term goal. 8-12 pages works for some competitive topics, but 100+ is needed to get any coverage in other areas.

But I'd say from google's eyes, as the forum has hinted, there are a lot of off page / off site criterion contributing to your index's pr. much more important than total number of pages.

[Jon12345]

Just noticed that a couple of PR6's are linking in to me. Does this mean if I go on a linking campaign and some are PR4's, my overall PR will drop?

[jackofalltrades]

nah it should have a cummulative effect and not average out.

JOAT

[Henley]

I too have a very small site with 9 pages which has PR6, about 15 links to and from PR5's and some PR4's; but significantly two Dmoz entries.
Henley

[HuhuFruFru]

your site shows me PR5, Jon12345.

[Jon12345]

Err, I have 12 websites!

[leef50]

How did you get 2 DMOZ listings?

[ppg]

The affect on ranking, though, appears not to be the same

ciml, are you saying that the site with more lower PR links will likely rank higher than the other?

[Slade]

How did you get 2 DMOZ listings?

It's not impossible for a site to have two DMOZ entries. If your site perfectly fits in more than one specific category, you can request an additional listing there.

[BigDave]

It must be nice to be in a category with living DMOZ editors. <sigh>

My site actually fits perfectly in around 30 categories. But around 29 of those categories shouldn't exist. They were created by an editor spamming different subcategories for their site. The subcategories on DMOZ almost exactly match the directory structure of the site.

They have 2930 matches in DMOZ.

[Henley]

Leef,
Slade is absolutely right. Like you I wasn't sure what the position was until I raised it on this forum and got some helpful answers.
My two dmoz entries happened by chance.
I did a tiny site for a health retreat; and when asked how it ought to be marketed I advised the client 'though referrals'. Not exactly rocket science!
So I built a small Directory of Therapists, some of whom would have clients needing a rest at a health retreat.(Very few had websites).The client then contacted the lucky therapists to say they had a free entry on a Directory; and would they please reciprocate in some way.
Quite by chance I registered the Directory with dmoz having completely forgotten I had submitted the main site to 'retreats'. Both sites were on the same domain,just different files and only one link from the Directory to the Sponsor.
And, then one day I looked in - the rest you know.
Does this give you any useful ideas Leef?
Regards
Henley

[Henley]

Leef,
I forgot to mention that I have another site - let's call it a large country estate - which has numerous different activities. So far dmoz has awarded it two entries and I am hoping for a third. All activities have been kept completely separate from each other both in design terms and site structure - I use different framesets and by using the no frames option have appropriate key words and title for each section. The chunks look different and are different but the navigation is common to all parts.
For Google and the other search engines I make sure there is always a bevvy of theme related links coming in to each section (section-index) as well as having a links page ( separate section with own index) for sites having an interest in the 'estate' overall.
No secrets here. I am sure there are many different ways of achieving the same effect.
That's why I was grateful for Slade and other members input on whether this was within the rules. Seems to be acceptable so far.
Henley

[jimsthoughts]

I have a 2 page site that has a PR6. There are about 280 back links including DMOZ. Most links to me are a PR5. I guess size of the site doesn't matter to google. You know what they say..it's not the size, it's how you use it ;)

[ciml]

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Jim. Those must be an interesting 2 pages.

BigDave:
> why do you come up with a number that is that much higher than everyone else?

Because I am the voice of dissent:). My experiments just turned out differently. Note the words "I'd expect"; caveat emptor, as always.

ppg:
> > The affect on ranking, though, appears not to be the same
> ciml, are you saying that the site with more lower PR links will likely rank higher than the other?

I don't know the answer to this, but there's a growing belief that getting links with relevant anchor text from more pages (or more domains) helps.