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PR drops seem to have been reversed!

Yippeeeee!

         

Liane

12:06 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just checked my PR and that of several other sites I maintain. All have reverted back to their original PR's prior to last month's update.

Three of my sites went from PR5 to 3 last month and are now back to 5.

Anyone else?

JonB

12:37 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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some of my sites got better pr, some stayed at pr 0.

one thing - i was making two new sites last months or so i think. they are now included in google BUT both have pr 0! one of sites is not even finsihed, a lot of missing pages.

is this normal to have new sites "debute" in google as pr 0? i cant imagine the way why would they get pr 0 and what could cause this? sites are nice, clean, I especially careful not to do something wrong.they are affilaite and lead to another site in the end but that cant be the reason or since 80% or more biz sites in web are basically affilaite sites. should i wait another month? if anyone has suggestion before putting my site in profile for googleguy to check.is it common to get pr 0 at first inclusion in google? sites have no external links pointing to them.

danny

1:18 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If there no external links at all to the sites, then of course they will have PR 0!

johnser

3:52 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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JonB, I just got the same nightmare of PR0

Brand new site, set up a few links from external sites (only about 4/5), site is just in Yahoo! and its PR0 already!

Danny, not sure if you're right? Shouldn't the toolbar be grey to start with?

Serious panic stations here....
J

duckhunter

4:25 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Liane.... me too. I lost 2 PR slots last update and they are back now... :)

JonB

4:52 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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danny, if that would be true it would be great. before whe i wanted to include new site i jsut put link on one page from my site that was already in index. that way google followed the link and found new site.

but this time as far as i rememeber there or NO other sites or pages linking to this site. would that mean that site that has NO links pointing to it - that it is normal to have pr 0? site is like 10 pagesand has outgoing links but no incoming links from other pages or sites.

i would be extremly happy if that is the case.

liane, of of my sites got back to pr 4 (from pr 2)

annej

5:06 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I got up this morning and the PR on my largest site was still 7 up from 6. I was really hopeful it would stick this time but in the last hour it has gone from PR7 to PR6 to PR0 to PR6. It isn't settled in yet...

I just looked again and it's back to PR7. I've got to get away from the computer today!

Anne

Liane

5:13 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just looked again and it's back to PR7. I've got to get away from the computer today!

Yeah ... mee too. I just checked again and they are back to PR3. I guess its just not settled yet. (I hope). I am keeping my fingers crossed though.

(Got to go finish my packing for the move tomorrow. I also have to find a new driver as the truck driver I had hired decided to cancel on me today. Man, this is becoming a major pain!)

Good luck to everyone with the SERPS and PR. I won't be around for the next few days.

Helpmebe1

5:34 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Fluctuating here.. looks like it bounced back though! :) Yay Google! Is everyone still having backlinks show ok though? Could their be no backlinks but PR4 or PR5 possible?

julinho

10:37 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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johnser, Jonb

Last month, I had a brand new site appearing in Google with PR0; this month, it has a PR4. So, itīs a fact that a new site may first appear with PR0 and move up from there.

The difference is that I already had links pointing to it, and you say thereīs no links at all to your page. Some people said that just by visiting their "under development" pages with the toolbar on was enough to let GG know about the page.

shelleycat

5:27 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Although your new sites say PR0 there's a good chance it's actually something like PR0.6, in other words you have some incoming PR already but it's not enough to make the bar tick over to PR1. Build links and wait til the next update then you'll be getting somewhere. Also remember that while you may have links now, you might not have had them yet when you were deep crawled for the first time. It's not unusual or abnormal to take two updates for your site to be fully listed with PR, backlinks, good SERP positions etc.

<added> Oh yes, my PR dropped last month and seems to be back up this month. It is nice to see the extra green but my rankings and traffic stayed the same the whole time so I wasn't too bothered.

starec

10:01 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The PR rise back to their recent values may just be caused by a single change, such as allocation of PR10 to the OPD home again...

johnser

2:45 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thats most reassuring to hear!
Thanks for that
:)
J

kfander

3:08 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it's over yet, because I'm still seeing PR changes from one refresh to another.

It "appears" that one of my sites has regained its PR7 after a drop to PR6 last month, although it still drops down to PR6 every now and then. Another site went up from PR5 to PR6 for the first time, but that makes sense as I've done a lot with it over the past couple of months, including finding a lot of backlinks for it. A new site got PR for the first time, with a PR5. Another very minor site, which was a PR4, keeps alternating between PR3 and PR4. All others seem to have remained the same, as far as PR goes, but I've stayed the same or come up in the SERPs overall.

Liane

11:53 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think its a safe bet that the PR drop we saw last month has in fact been reversed. I have a new site that just got into the Google directory two months ago. The first month, it had no PR ranking. Last month it was PR2. It now has PR4. My other sites are back to PR5 again.

All is good with the world! :)

Tor

12:19 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The PR rise back to their recent values may just be caused by a single change, such as allocation of PR10 to the OPD home again...

I think you are right starec. ;)

annej

10:44 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The PR7 on my largest site seems to be sticking. Life is good. :)

I just spent a few hours writing to directories that might link my site. I did that last month too. I suspect they will dribble in but hopefully I'll see some results by next update.

Anne

[edited by: annej at 10:52 pm (utc) on Dec. 2, 2002]

stace

10:50 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I also got back my PR 7 from a site that had dropped for a month down to PR 6. The downside is that even though the PR is back, it seems to have lost ground on a few keywords- probably from being spidered at PR 6 for a month. Just a theory anyway.

Also a new site managed to gain a PR 6 in just a month- probably due to 2 dmoz listings (they haven't done the directory dump or whatever but they've still picked up the dmoz backlinks) - as well as a link from the homepage of the PR 7 site.

So far I'm happier w/ the way the update has treated the new PR 6 site than the older much higher trafficked PR 7 site.

trueMarketing

10:58 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My main website has had a PR of 6 for about two months now, before that having a PR of 3 or 4.
I just checked Google and now I have a grey bar....nothing.

After this most recent update, I was ranked #1 for several top keywords in my industry, now I'm nowhere to be found.

Can someone please help?

I've had all legitimate linking within directories, search engines, webmasters of other topic specific sites have been kind enough to list my website on theirs.

No it's like I've been banned altogether. I don't understand. I've don nothing wrong whatsoever.

This is really serious and couldn't have come at a worse time right before Christmas as I have been laid off recently and have two children. Now my only real source of income has been banned for no apparant reason.

I don't know what to do. Anybody?

Quinn

11:06 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Truemarketing,

I doubt you'll see a major change in listings before the Christmas. I could be wrong, but I doubt anyone in this forum would encourage reliance on Google as a sole source of income either. not that you're in this position intentionally

But, since this is the case, I would continually watch my logs and update content and hope to get picked up by the fresh bot.

but I wouldn't count it.

BTW, was your host down recently?

trueMarketing

11:12 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No, my host wasn't down at all. i checked all my logs. Nothing looks unusual.

I realize that relying on any website for sole income isn't and shouldn't be valued for much these days, but I'm trying to just make the best of it since I'm now jobless and just trying to make ends meet.

What I don;t understand is why my site seems to be banned now. It must be for some reason. Quinn (or anyone), do you know if Google is good about replying back if there has been some error on their part?

Thanks again.

Quinn

11:16 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Truemarketing,

Stickymail me your site. I can't say that Google's good at getting back to a webmaster that's lost a site. In general, it isn't really their responsibility to make sure everyone's site gets in. There are those who'll argue this point however...

Beachboy

12:24 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Johnser:

Take your finger off the panic button. PR0 for a new site with links very likely means the site is in transition to an actual PR number with the following update. Happens to new sites I manage all the time. Wait a month. Go have a beer. Or three. ;)

Beachboy

12:27 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I haven't surveyed more than a few sites I manage since a Holiday trip, but one of my main biz sites is back to PR7 from a PR6 last month. It does look like Google tweaked the PR Meter some.

clickclick

12:37 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have a new site which is showing a PR of 4 but does not show and backaward links? how does this happen?

stace

1:39 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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clickclick just give it some time- my new site had no backlinks for the first month, and now w/ this update they are finally there along w/ PR.

truemarketing - you might want to seriously look at PPC (pay per click) options for the month- especially if this is your sole source of income. Adwords, Overture, Findwhat, Sprinks - it will cost you but at least you'll have traffic.

There are a lot of really bright folks around here who I'm sure will help you take a look at your site to see if you've done anything wrong - it sounds like a glitch though. I hope you get back in soon!

:)

johnser

10:33 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Beachboy, am still recovering from 10 Millers at the w/end so you'll forgive me if I don't take you up on your kind suggestion!

Thats most reassuring to hear though. Thought I was screwed already.
Thanks
J