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5:09 am on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did I announce it first?
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Just checked again and I'm now listed when I do allinurl:www.mydomin.com on google.com and www2 and www3, (although it's my old page that was crawled early Nov).

Does this mean I'm likely to be permanently in when the dance settles down (and when will that be?).

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newbie steppin in...

i heard checkin the back links to a site like yahoo.com is a good indicator of a new index etc. on www.google.com it comes to 654,000, but on www2 and 3 it comes to 632,000 - shouldn't the number be higher on www2 and 3 where the fresher indexes are held?

i say this, because a current listing of one of my sites is on www2 + 3, but not on www at all.

any ideas?

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I'm new to following the Google update...so sorry if this is an old question.

I have been working for the past several weeks trying to get all my site ready for the next deep crawl. Now that it has come the crawl is reverting to an old cache Google must have had of my site from weeks ago before I started any of this. As a result it indexed all sorts of old links and dropped me from #20 that I had worked up to thru the fresh updates lately on a huge search term for me to off the list after the deep crawl.

Is it normal for Google to put way outdated versions of pages up during a deep crawl. My log shows only like 20 hits from GoogleBot, which is normal daily activity. Also, I have noticed that many of my competitors for this same key phrase have their updated holiday version of their pages showing.

My PR is averaging at 4 lately if that makes a difference.

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>>shouldn't the number be higher on www2 and 3 where the fresher indexes are held?

It may or may not be higher depending on the number of backlinks that were found.


>>I have been working for the past several weeks trying to get all my site ready for the next deep crawl.

Good! The next deep crawl may have already started for the sites with higher PR and I'm looking for Googlebot to show up soon :)

And welcome to WebmasterWorld. The current update is not quite complete, so you may be seeing both the old and new indexes until things settle down. There's quite a bit of information related to the Google Update, Page Rank, Googlebot and more in the WebmasterWorld Google Knowledgebase V2 [webmasterworld.com].

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Perhaps this question has been answered on this awesome sight, but it's really getting to bug me. I have several sites and with the way the server has it set up they use an asp redirect thingie. Forgive me but Im completely lost on that stuff and it just seems to create problems or it may be me..hehe.

Here's how it looks. On my site or mysite.net I get a PR of 4, but when it goes to the mysite.net/default.asp it suddenly drops to a 2. Wait I think I just answered my own question as I have the asp set up with links within the site if that makes any sense...In any event should I be concerned with this asp thingie? Any help is thankful. Great site and a super learning experience.

Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

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Wow, it has been pretty neat watching the pr fluctuations on my new sites, first time for me, does the toolbar grab the pr from the datacenter you are currently connected to or from somewhere else?
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i dunnoh why everyones so excited about google's thanks giving update. i lost ranking for 2 sites. one is totally out and the other one is now on page 3. :-(
didnt do anything wrong. did everything by the book using WPG. hell that thing even had no suggestions for improvement anymore. did no spamming trick, and indeed created a v informative website. goodlooking too. :(
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10 mins ago i searched google and didn't find my site there. used wpg the results same.
how i search again im in front page. whats goin on? is google oscilating between results?

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Symtacs,

search in here on WPG and you will find your answer.

Google doesn't like automated searchs...especially WPG!

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if google penalizes WPG queries, cant someone query a competition's site to google using wpg? google has no way of finding if its by the site itself or competition.

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All of that has been hashed and rehashed...why not do the search and bring yourself up to date?

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ann, im sorry i didn't follow wot u said. could u pls explain a little :-)
2:40 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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symtacs,

I'm not Ann, but .. use the site search at the top of the page for "WPG". There are at least 15 pages of threads about WPG and Google's dislike of automated tools for querying their db.

It would be really wise if you read these before continuing to use this tool with Google!

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"Is it normal for Google to put way outdated versions of pages up during a deep crawl."

It's normal for Google to put up out dated pages from the early November deep crawl during the end of November index update. Your fresh results will reassert themselves in the next few days, and will permanently enter the index next update/end of December after being deepcrawled the beginning of December.

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8:10 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Notice the mad dash of posters has dwindled away, is the update over or is everyone jagged out on adrenline?

:)

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9:28 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think they take a rest before the deep crawling. Or perhaps they are busy uploading/tweaking pages.

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10:38 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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When will the December deep crawling begin (approx)?
10:41 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Anytime.
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so when are things with PR going to settle down? or are they already?
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I _think_ they are. Those of mine that were dancing have been stable for several hours.

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2:45 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I gained 2 places on the main keyword, still on page 2 :(, but my PR7
never jumped up or down through the whole thing :).

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>> i dunnoh why everyones so excited about google's thanks giving update. i lost ranking for 2 sites. one is totally out and the other one is now on page 3. <<

If one person gains, another will lose. That stands to reason. Every site can't come up number one.

It reminds me of a slogan that I saw on a school building in Texas a few years ago:

XX Elementary - Where every child excels!

If every student excels, then they're all, well .. average.

Back on topic, the dance is over, right? I haven't seen any PR or SERP changes on any of my sites since this morning.

[edited by: kfander at 6:31 am (utc) on Dec. 2, 2002]

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6:11 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, Kfander,

A #1 is like a pat on the back and a hearty "well done!" from the SE world...something most of us don't hear enough of.

That said, I feel like I get more traffic from a page two listing....this is from my own surfing habits as I will look through two to three pages of results before deciding on one to click thru to, rarely will I click on the first thing that pops up in a search.

Getting in the top ten to thirty will give you some good traffic.

Ann

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I know what you are saying ann, but we try for the positions 1 to 4. That is becuase they are usually above the fold, especially in google partners like Yahoo, where there is more garbage at the top. I'm not convinced that many people go beyond the first page, apart from serious researchers, or if the first page is seriously deficient. They also have an option of refining the qury, which may be just as likely. Its first page or nothing for us. But 1 to 4 and we celebrate!
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I like spots 1-5, prefer 1-4, but I've found that #3 seems to convert better. Anyone else seeing this?
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>I'm not convinced that many people go beyond the first page

That's something that I always thought but a site that was penalised on the last update has had a massive drop in traffic, but I amazed how many people are clicking through to the 5/6 pages on SERPs, not that I'm complaining

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>> I'm not convinced that many people go beyond the first page <<

I often browse through the first page, and then click through to page 4 or 5, but I've always figured I was weird, and not representative of the average searcher.

It sometimes amazes me, though, when I follow up on my logs to find that people have found my site using improbable keywords in which my site came out on the 30th page or more. I figure they must not have gone through them in chronological order.

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My theory on that one is that when you get a click that is from a Keyword set where you are on the 30th or so page, it is because that user got a freak result set where you were higher up.
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I am seeing something weird, the results for WWW1, 2 and 3 in my "Google dance machine" are different than the WWW or toolbar results. Anyone have an idea why this is? Could it be I am not doing this right? lol

[edited by: mahlon at 6:13 pm (utc) on Dec. 2, 2002]

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>That's something that I always thought but a site that was penalised on the last update has had a massive drop in traffic, but I amazed how many people are clicking through to the 5/6 pages on SERPs, not that I'm complaining

Are you sure they don't have Google set like me to display 100 results by default?

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