Problem getting listed in Google

Tried numerous times to get a dynamically-driven, frames site into google

[glennergy]

Hello. I am helping a colleague try to get his site listed in google. He's currently listed in all the other search engines, but for some reason we can't get him listed in google, and we can't get any response from google about what's happening.

His site has been submitted about 4 times now over the last 6 months. The two things that I suspect might be a problem are:

1. It is being hosted by a company which generates dynamic pages from templates.

and 2. Their system uses frames. However, the index page has its own metatags, and is also using the noframes tag. I've seen other frames sites get listed in google before.

Can anybody give me some advice? As I said, we've tried to submit the site many times, and had numerous discussions with the hosting company. They basically say they have no idea why it's not getting posted, since they have other sites using the same system that ARE being picked up by google.

Thank you in advance for your help!

[edited by: Marcia at 9:16 am (utc) on Nov. 27, 2002]

[dcheney]

Looks like you need to work on inbound links. Googles shows 0. AllTheWeb shows 1.

[glennergy]

Is that single issue alone enough to prevent it from picking up the site over the course of 4 submissions?

I've seen many sites listed in google with no external links pointing to them.

[Beachboy]

Any appearance in Google of a site without inbound links to it will be extremely short-lived, IF it really did get in at all. Inbound links are supremely important, period.

(Dang typos.)

[edited by: Beachboy at 7:01 am (utc) on Nov. 27, 2002]

[dcheney]

IMO, yes, few/no inbound links is enough to keep it out (the Google spider has to find the site somehow!)

By the way, I forgot to say: Welcome to WebmasterWorld! :-)

[glennergy]

Thanks for the welcome!

I don't know. While i recognize the importance of external links, and the high value google places on them, In my past experience, I have not found google to not list a site based solely on external links.

For example: Here are two sites that has been listed in google for two years now and has no external links posted to it. <snip>

So, while I will follow your advice to make sure there are some other sites that point to <snip>, I am pretty sure there is something else going on.

How does google know about the site? I've submitted the url to them manually, as i said, 4 times now in the last six months.

[edited by: Marcia at 9:15 am (utc) on Nov. 27, 2002]
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[Beachboy]

Both those sites have links to them from other places, but since the PR of the sites in question is under 4, Google is not displaying those links. Instead, go to Google, type in the domain (mysite.com), click on "Find web pages that contain the term" and you will see the links that Google is counting. Like I said...links are huge where Google is concerned. ;)

[glennergy]

Hmmm, interesting, i see what you are saying, Beachboy.

However, here's another counterpoint: All of the links that I see that show up when I tried your suggestion are links that came into existence AFTER the sites had already been picked up by google. In other words, google accepted those sites before any other sites linked to them.

So tell me: Just how certain are you that the dynamic pages/frames are not the problem, that it is ONLY the linking issue that is preventing this site from being picked up by google?

[istopdeath]

But when I do a google search <snip>, my forum posts are riding above my website and I can do a forum post in 30 seconds to direct traffic to the website.

This is a lesson on how google reads keyword relevancy and title, and apparently not much else!?

[edited by: ciml at 7:42 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2002]
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