500 links from one site to another

is this ok?

[soapystar]

ive asked this question before but couldnt get an answer so im trying again but it a simpler way....i have 2 sites...one for widgets and one for sprockets...widgets and sprockets are both travel related services.....is it ok for me to have a link from most of the 500 pages on the widgets site going to the home page of the sprocket site...sprockets wont be linking back...is this spam?...is it ok with google?..the link from widgets to sprockets is a text link as part of the overall navigation..

[tigger]

I would say no.

I had two sites that were linked in a very similar way, not done for any marketing/SEO reason just to offer a different product, these sites on the last update lost all backward links and PR which was 6 now is 0 I can only put this down to the linking.

I have dropped google a line, quite a few times with no response asking if the linking was the problem with no reply.

So I can't definitely say but I’m pretty sure

[john316]

Tigger:

Did you mention webmasterworld in your correspondence? GG claims that will get a bit more attention if you are doing google QC, I'm just wondering if the "help" works both ways?

[tigger]

Yep, mind you I did get a nice collection of auto replies

[web_india]

soapystar :

Would your sprockets site have links only from the widgets site?

Also whether the link will be placed from all of your pages of widgets site to the sprockets home page or will there be some pages which do not have the outbound link?

I think if it is linked from all of your pages and the sprocket site has other good incoming links from other sites, it shouldn't be a problem.

tigger :

What would you identify as the problem issue in your case - was it that the other site you linked to didn't have any other incoming links or that you gave out so many links from one site to the other, that it became a problem?

[soapystar]

well...given that it doesnt seem known if its ok for sure ive ditched the idea....but...it would have been on 90 percent of a 600 page site...but the sprocket site does and will have other inbound links from reciprocal linking sites.

[tigger]

web_india

site A was linked to site B on most pages around 100. site B was only linked to A on the index page.

I've now removed the links and I'm waiting to see if G drops the penalty (Ha fat chance)

[web_india]

soapystar : If the sprocket site is dependent on reciprocal links only, don't do it for sure. However, as you say that the sprocket site won't be linking back to the widgets site, I don't see where's the problem? I am also assuming that your sprocket site would be listed in domoz etc.

In tigger's case, the problem was the link back. Am I right, tigger?

[soapystar]

nope..wont be in dmoz since they are affiliate sites...with content though to keep mr google happy!

[starec]

I recently launched an English version of my site under a new domain (it's impossible to pronounce the original domain name in English, let alone to remember...).

My linking scheme was very similar to yours (I need to point foreigners who arrive to the original domain to the new English one). More than 500 links going one way, only 1 link pointing back.

Not much of other links, the second domain is quite new.

No problem in Google (so far). Maybe Google can measure "intentions"? :) If you link for ranking they hit you hard, if you link for helping your users to find what they need, they let you be?;)

[web_india]

starec :

You had two different languages and it wouldn't be a problem in your case.

soapystar :

I still believe that if you dont link back it wont be a problem. Are those two sites on a shared IP?

[soapystar]

yep...thats right...both on the same shared server...my main widgets site is doing 150k ips monthly from google and i really dont want to do anything to endanger that..it simply wouldnt be worth it!

[web_india]

I dont know but yes, the fear from googlebot has been so much that most of the times many take the safer path, just in case googlebot gets disinterested.

[tigger]

web_india

what do you mean link back?

[NFFC]

>my main widgets site is doing 150k ips monthly from google and i really dont want to do anything to endanger that

I really think you answered your own question. 150k uniques a month, I wouldn't even look at the site never mind change it ;)

[soapystar]

lol..but its keeping the site uptodate that keeps em' coming back for more...;)

[web_india]

what do you mean link back?

It being a reciprocal link rather than being a link only from site Y to site Z. If its one way only then I dont see it as a problem whether it is from 100 pages of Y or thousand pages. Do you agree?

[soapystar]

ok..what if all 500 internal links go a single page on the widgets site..and this single page then gives a text link to the sprockets site...and the sprocket site doesnt link back...does this sound safe to you?

[web_india]

what if all 500 internal links go a single page on the widgets site..and this single page then gives a text link to the sprockets site...

this is definitely a problem. What I am saying is that a reciprocal link (whether it is to the same page or different) is the problem. If sprocket domain doesn't link to the widget domain, then its safer IMHO

[gopi]

I am still confused in this type of crosslinking...I beleive crosslinking between only 2 sites even when done extensively will not trigger a penalty . But when the number of sites in the network goes beyond 3 you are risking some sort of penalty.

[deepavs]

I saw a site made up of about 100 pages. All pages optimized for different (but still related search terms). All those pages were crosslinked with other 100 pages on that domain and every page had a link to the SPONSOR site.

The optimized pages showed up in pretty good positions in Google...

Do you think this is a safe way building traffic to the SPONSOR site(s)? Could it be safer if the links are php redirects?

[GodLikeLotus]

Having just read this I am starting to get a bit paranoid. My site has 2 main sponsors with links to the 2 sponsors sites from all our pages. The links go through the cgi-bin ie href="/cgi-bin/axs/ax.pl?http://www.sponsor.com . Could this be dangerous?