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Suggestion: Google Whois Engine

         

Brett_Tabke

4:38 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would like to see Google index all of the domain database and make all whois info searchable.

lazerzubb

4:45 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yes wouldn't mind that, but can they do it legally not sure how it is with NetSol, i think something was due to happen with the Whois records 2003, but not sure what, LISA can you fill us in?

I think if they decided to do that it wouldn't take to long just make the interal version they use available for the outsiders.

jackofalltrades

4:46 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)



It would interesting to see what they could do (or would do) by correlating all the past spammers whois data. ;)

JOAT

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4:47 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Wouldn't this mean Google having to pay money to someone? Say, Verisign?

Iguana

4:47 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have enough worries about the Whois database as it is. When I registered my domains I put my real name and address in. Considering the vehemence of some guestbook entries (hoping I will be shot as a terroist - his spelling) - I would rather put a false address in, just in case. The domain registry people used to offer the ability to change address but this doesn't work currently. I would rather not have this data even more easily available.

Having said that, just because someone lacks a sense of humour doesn't mean they are going to send explosive packages through the post...I hope

vitaplease

4:48 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> by correlating all the past spammers whois data

and then the choice "similar spammers"

jackofalltrades

4:57 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)



>and then the choice "similar spammers"

Imagine the functionality of it....

You do a search and check out the pages in the top ten and you have a number of options after each listing...

<more sites like this one>
<similar pages in the same site>
<sites that are identical to this one in every way>

:)

JOAT

nutsandbolts

5:29 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ewwww. I have enough spam as it is, thanks.

egomaniac

7:09 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think that this is a very bad and dangerous idea, with the current policies around the whois database.

Right now most of the general public doesn't know about the whois database. Many individual novice website owners, or wannabe website owners, register their domains using personal names, addresses, and phone numbers. They don't know that this info becomes publicly searchable.

With this info publicly searchable, it is only a matter of time before the wrong person uses it the wrong way. How? Can you imagine a stalker-type who is sexually interested in a womain acquaintance looking up her address in the whois database?

Don't think it can happen? How many people registered domain names during the dot-com boom - particularly high-tech types in Silicon Valley? Everyone was doing it then. How many of those people are still holding domains "just in case" they get around to building that website?

I dread reading the headline "Stalker murders woman found using Internet WHOIS database". This could happen now. Making this data even more accessible, just raises the likelihood of abuse.

The WHOIS database needs to be changed, and privacy needs to be protected now.
-egomaniac

Brett_Tabke

8:27 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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How would that be any different than it is now? Google is providing [google.com] direct links to whois info in their search results already and searchable.

The only modification I am suggesting is to do the entire thing.

percentages

8:51 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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GoDaddy is now offering a "privacy" option with domain registration to prevent contact information from being mined.

Given the amount of spam that is currently generated from the domain database, not to mention other privacy issues, I personally would like to see all contact information removed from publically accessible records.

A personal name or company name should be the only thing available from the whois database IMHO.

I certainly don't want to see Google making it any easier than it currently is to access domain records.

egomaniac

10:55 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Brett, I checked the search you gave above. The search criteria you used are quite advanced - " site:www.netsol.com inurl:STRING" - something 98% of the searching public doesn't know how to do. Hence it is of little risk. Just as most internet users have never heard of the WHOIS database, so it is of little risk... at the current time.

That said, do you know of a more common Google search that would yield a link to the whois database in it? Searching with " inurl:mydomain.com " doesn't give it, and that is the most useful example I can think of. Searching for a person's name doesn't seem to give it either.

bobriggs

11:48 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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STRING, is just the Netsol usual query, and there are over 1000 sites indexed there by google (I see 1070), and

site:www.netsol.com inurl:anonymprox.com

Will give a result, because it is one of the over 1K that is indexed. I'm assuming that google has found these by a link somewhere else, either on the usenet or other means.

Brett's point is well taken, google is much faster than going to any registrar, but since it gets the data from links, this way would be difficult. It would need the entire database, I assume.

Lisa

12:24 am on Nov 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A Whois database...

Coming soon! (I know of Company X doing it, I know of government agency Y doing it)

Company X will have a huge price tag on the searching.
Agency Y wants it for a huge global conspiracy and law enforcement thing.

Personally, we are up to 85% of the records, but commercial viable and all the legal things. Plus keeping it up to date! Talk about a can of worms. Not to mention you need to get all the registrars to except you or your updates will be blocked. Or they will be bound to sue you!

Brett_Tabke

12:28 am on Nov 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You can also search on like your name server ip address.

related, search on your sites ip address once - fun results.

After that, try "http" and view a semi stair step list order by pr...think about it.

Lisa

12:35 am on Nov 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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One more thing, as the Registries move to EPP the whole concept goes out the door unless the registry likes you. .ORG is moving to EPP soon, then .NET and .COM. Querying multiple source is no longer necessary, but now you become easier to block. And if you find away around the block, then you need to think about legal defense bills. The only way this will happen is to have the registries partner with you. And they will not partner for free... So it will defintily cost for users to use this search engine.