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Does Google see individual keywords in a keyword phrase?

Do I need "keyword1 keyword2, keyword1, keyword2" in the meta tag?

         

Monkscuba

1:22 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Greetings oh wise ones,

I have been trying to optimise our meta tag keywords, thanks mainly to the useful hints in this site, but have a question :

If I have a good keyword phrase like "location restaurant" in the meta tag, do I need also to have the individual keywords "location" and "restaurant"? I realise you shouldn't use the same keyword too much or it may be seen as spamming, and I would prefer to have something like "location restaurant, location eating, location dining" than use the word on it's own. So does google see the individual words in the phrase or is it better to use them combined and alone?

Any comments for a poor beginner?

PS : our website is not about restaurants or eating, but the location keyword is the most important for sure, and I don't want to waste it!

martinibuster

1:37 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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First off, welcome. There are lots of useful threads here that can answer a lot of your questions (and perhaps provoke a few). Do a site search and you'll find a lot of answers.

Meta keywords aren't tallied by G.

Next, you need to sit back and contemplate the meaning of the term "optimization."

Optimization is presenting a web page in a manner that makes it easy for a spider to define what your site is about, and thus, what it's relevant for.

Seen in this context, adding words about eating or restaurant, to a site that is about neither, is counterproductive.

Monkscuba

1:43 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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OOh! Replies come quickly.

Yes, I am not actually going to add the keywords "restaurant" or "eating" to my site. That was just an example. Guess I should have used "widgets" like everyone else. All I want to know is does Google or any other engine for that matter see 2 keywords together or just a phrase.

hotice_2002

1:57 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think the proper keyphrase will help you! The separated keypwords would mislead cusomter, search engines would not accept that.
One important thing is that you should mention the keyphrase few times in your webpage, and the keyphrase should be pure font, not pictures.

jackofalltrades

2:05 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)



thats a good question!

Ive thought about it as well.

All i can say is that ive stayed away from repeating my keywords and gone for listing each keyword seperately - with a comma in between (listed in order of importance).

So instead of blue widgets, i use blue, widgets.

The sites i use this in seem to be ranking well (but of course there are a million and one other factors to take into account).

My theory is that if you list the keywords one by one, then they can be matched up in a search in multiple combinations, but if you have keywords paired in phrases then you are limiting the possible combinations. Eg,

Keyword1, Keyword2

- gives you 4 combinations: keyword1, keyword2, keyword1 keyword2, keyword2 keyword1.

However - Keyword1 Keyword2 (as a single phrase) only gives you one combination.

This is assuming Google looks at pairs of words as a seperate entity from the single words. Otherwise it doesnt matter and its the order in which you list that is important.

JOAT

Rumbas

2:17 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome Monkscuba. Martinibuster laid it out for you, but you might wanna check out this article from SEW regarding the meta keywords tag:

The Death Of A Meta Tag [sewatch.com] - it should answer your questions :)

Danny Sullivan says:

Now I can make my advice about the meta keywords tag even easier. Just don't use the tag at all! Obviously, if you personally find it or believe it to be useful, keep doing so. But I suspect it's just a waste of time, for most people.

fathom

3:00 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In the old days places like Scrub The Web suggested that 200 keywords was appropriate for Meta keyword. Thus I copied the page text into the header, cut all the: and, but, and, or's, remove duplicates so not to spam and that was that. As far as the meta description 20 to 25 words, sentence style and it was also suggested that comment tags if repeating meta description could improve SERP's, so I had 3 of these.

A while ago, many WebmasterWorld member suggested that Meta keyword and description were pretty useless... and like a kid in a candy shop -- I had to try it!

Since that time I can honestly say -- the bulk majority of web pages rose dramatically in SERP's.

Putting in context -- each page started capturing many more "less competitive" keyphrases that were much more "on-target" to precise page content. Only 1 or 2 uses per day, but now at 18,000+ keyphrases this is sizable amount of traffic by themselves.

The only real change that occurred to each page was file size, dropping all that garbage in the header immediately dropped 2K off the top that weighed each page down.

Dropping meta tags isn't going to change much if you are only looking for and attempting those million a day words, but it will make your pages leaner and googlebot "especially" loves "non-fat products".

Monkscuba

9:03 am on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's why I love this site. Somebody always gives a straightforward no bulls**t answer. Thanks Rumbas. Basically keyword meta tags are not worth sweating over. Good news.

Dino_M

9:10 am on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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They are handy if you have a flash site or other site with no text, then google will use meta description and meta keywords, combine this with inbound keyword links and it's almost possile to get a flash site in the top 1000 !

vitaplease

9:22 am on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Just don't use the tag at all!

Be careful, outside the Flash page advice and Google/Fast etc.

There are a few directories that extract metatags for their listings.

There still exist local search engines which use the metatags for ranking and indexing purposes = Ilse.nl is one. (they have about 30% market share in the Netherlands).

chiyo

10:51 am on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We work with a few magazine / news type aggregating and indexing engines that use several tags including description and publishing date for their own indexing ourposes. I tend to agree with vitaplease. Be careful, as some indexes use them and they may get more popular later. We use a very small abstract of say 1 or 2 lines for the description and around 2 to 6 keywords. They turn up in small engines quite a bit.

But apart from that, almost useless for SEO and boosting rankings on the whole.