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seemingly inconsistent search results

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Powdork

7:15 am on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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when I search for "area keyword phrase" I come in at #10.
When I search for "keyword phrase in area" I am #3. Both no quotes. I understand that the order of the words is important but the title includes "area twowords keyword phrase" so I would think I would rank better for that. Perhaps there is much more competition for that order. Here's the weird part. Both searches return the same page. The one that shows up at #10 shows a fresh listing, the one at #3 does not. No matter how many times I do it (currently). Why? You can sticky me for the search if your interested.

tigger

7:29 am on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I must admit I'm a bit confused as well, I'm finding sites showing one day & vanishing the next, it almost seems like google is still trying out different filters but it's very confusing

piskie

7:33 am on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It is my understanding that the earlier the word appears in the title string, the more importance attached to it. Also it is better if the phrase exists (words in same order) within the title when other words are taken out.

Hope that makes sense.

mack

9:33 am on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think when google searched (without quotes) it searches for each word, so if the query was "wordA wordB" it would search the index for wordA as a priority. some sites may rank far higher for wordA and some for wordB I have noticed this a few times before, because my key search term is a two word phrase so I try them each way round and often get variation in the serps.

Marcia

9:54 am on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Some people were reporting variations during this last update on searches involving locations.

Powdork, your ranking difference could have something to do with the number of occurrences of the phrase together or the words individually, as well as location on the page and whether the words and/or phrases are used in link text on your page. Plus, take a look at the page title if there's a link to another page on the site using the phrase. Also, it depends on whether one or the other is used in text links pointing to the page. The word "in" is common and is excluded, but still separates the words so there's a proximity issue also, with how the words are used, in addition to the order. None of which involves the fresh date as far as I can figure.

Actually, this question sent me off on a search hunting for clues, trying searches for something none of us is involved with that were pretty close in a few ways. Trying "california british pubs" and "british pubs in california" - without quotes - is interesting because they're both roughly the same, with about 40K pages returned and there are a couple of sites that have the same page appearing, but one way with the fresh date and one without.

On one of the sites, the whole phrase isn't used anyplace on-page, it's just the difference in word order of the search phrase and they're ranking within one place of each other trying both ways. Even the back-links are identical, all from within the site. It's all exactly the same except the word order, but there's got to be something behind why one is fresh and one isn't.

Powdork

4:23 pm on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's all exactly the same except the word order, but there's got to be something behind why one is fresh and one isn't.


Thats the strange part. Perhaps Google is using a different server based on the search query.
I'm gonna go in up to my waste here. Perhaps tahts why we seem to get a different algo dependent upon the competitivenessicity (look it up ;)) of the search.

Another weird thing. Currently, as opposed to last night-
When I search for "keyword phrase in area" I am #3 with fresh listing
when I search for "area keyword phrase" the page is not in the top 500 results. The first reference to the domain is at #23 and is the map to our establishment. The page in question is the first listed when hitting 'more results from this site' fresh listing and all.

Powdork

5:24 pm on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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when I search for "area keyword phrase" the page is not in the top 500 results.

And now I'm up to #8. Also my internal pages are now all up to pr 5, same as homepage. Earlier this morning they were pr4. Its not toolbar guesswork, there's only 15 pages and they're all html. I have been working on the internal link structure per Calum. Thanks alot ciml.
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GodLikeLotus

5:40 pm on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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what's going on at Google? Th results seem to be changing constantly, in 1 minute out the next.

Powdork

5:45 pm on Oct 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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what's going on at Google? Th results seem to be changing constantly, in 1 minute out the next.

Its called everflux, its completely normal, and you can get much info with a site search. What's a little unusual is the pr change and the drop off the map. Whats confusing is the fresh listings inconsistency.

Powdork

8:45 am on Oct 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Now at 1:44 am I just moved back to ...well, nowhere again.