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Extra info: Site has seven pages listed in dmoz, and several internal pages have a PR6.
It's not just number of links, it's the PR of the incoming links that is important too, you'll want links from sites with PR7 and higher to boost your PR. Just be careful how you go about it. You may want to use the search link at the top of the page to search for "buying PR", as well as "bad neighborhoods" in the Google forum, there are some caveats you should be aware of if you aren't already.
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[edited by: Air at 3:56 am (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]
With 1 site 294 created the jump to PR7, on another 514.
You will increase faster to the next level if the links to you are the only one on the outbound page.
This tends to be one of the major factors (or differences) why some sites need only a few hundred links to get to PR7 and others need a few thousand.
Could a PR 6 site rise to PR 7 with no inbound links higher than 6?
Yes -- the site mentioned above (294 links) is one such site. However, all the links to it were PR4 - PR6 where most pages had no other links sharing the outgoing PR.
The good news is that some of your internal pages are PR 6. That seems to me to mean that the index page has a reasonably high 6, so it may not be too difficult to get it to 7.
Of course adding any links will raise your real PR even if it is not reflected in the truncated toolbar PR. A high 6 is better than a low 6 even if they look the same with the toolbar. The ranking of pages in the SERP uses the real value.
In my segment, I might as well forget about getting a link from an 8 - I don't even know of one...
Same here - there are only a couple of 7's in my area, and a few 6's - of which we're one, but that kinda makes moving up a bit tricky. This is a commercial area, so none of the competition is going to be linking to us, for sure.
Ah well, visibility is fine, but <tantrum mode>I want that 7 </tantrum mode>. Mat
So, if PR is entirely based on inbound links (which I suspect its not...)then you are not far off.
Skibum, whats your mountain?
Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a "mountain" but the most frequented hill:) is at 7Springs.
As far as PR, if you have on strong site say PR5 and up, you can give a new site a PR of one lower just by putting a link from the "strong" site to the new site.
It seems to work at least up to PR6 for the site giving the link, with a 5 becoming the PR of the new site. Don't have any PR7+ sites laying around but presumably it would work in a similar fashion on up the scale.
I have a PR6 with only 78 inbound links. but they are mostly relevant and of a pretty good PR themselfes.
Another site also has PR6 with 250 back links.
I also figure the first site to be a higher PR6 because most of the first level pages have also got PR6
Does anyone know how much extra weight Google gives dmoz listings? How effective are they in increasing a site's PR? Is a category high in the tree more effective than a very specific category? Is an equivalent Yahoo listing better? Thanks.
Does anyone know how much extra weight Google gives dmoz listings?
Google employees. Everyone else is just guessing and my bet is that most of them are very wrong.
How effective are they in increasing a site's PR?
At least as effective as any other link from a equivalent page.
Is a category high in the tree more effective than a very specific category
More effective at what? Sending you traffic or improving your PR?
I would worry about being in the appropriate directory more than being in the higher directory.
Is an equivalent Yahoo listing better?
See my first and last answers.
Is this some sort of either/or deal?
[edited by: Sasquatch at 6:54 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]
:)
Does anyone know how much extra weight Google gives dmoz listings?
Lots
How effective are they in increasing a site's PR?
Is a category high in the tree more effective than a very specific category?No (usually) low level (more specific cats) usually have fewer outbound links. A cat with PR7 and 50 outbound links is worth less than a PR5 cat with 4 outbound links. <Added> It is also far easier to get multiple low level cat listings than to receive 1 high level listing.</added>
Is an equivalent Yahoo listing better?Yes and No
No - because of PR value (once only -- a few if in regionals). With every DMOZ listings you in fact get 10 links from other search engine associated directories and most of which also transfers PR.
In addition, some DMOZ clones are as PR rich (or nearly) as DMOZ is itself.
Run that part by me again.... you're saying the same site has 8 pages in ODP with more following?
Can you elaborate on that a bit please. What is the site about?
Dmoz.org TOS suggests that multiple listings are an exception and not a rule. I prefer being an exception.
Yes, it's my personal website, and the different links are to various services or articles I have written. None of my site's pages are listed twice, and most are in different categories.
However, you can have different pages listed multiple times in the same category. Two of my pages are listed in the same category, and Jakob Nielsen's site, useit.com, has 27 listings in dmoz, with 11 listings in Computers: Internet: Web Design and Development: Web Usability and 8 listings in Computers: Internet: Web Design and Development: Web Usability: People.
I am not a dmoz editor, but apparently if you have quality content, they have no problems listing your site more than once.
Some reasons for multiple listings:
Unique and/or original content
Multiple themes/topics
Content supports listing in Kids & Teen topics (copywrite may have a lower level of comprehension).
Content fitting for multiple sub-categories but insufficient coverage to support a listing at a higher topical level.
e.g. flying lessons (services), single engine aircraft sales, remote control aircraft and model airplanes could all be in the same web site but have significantly different content appealing to different audiences.
If a higher level topical category was "aircraft" but many other sub-categories were: commercial, transports, military, flight school, antique, history, etc., it would be next to impossible to justified a single listing under the higher level category "aircraft".
[edited by: fathom at 5:53 am (utc) on Oct. 10, 2002]
"WebmasterWorld has 21. SearchEngineWorld has 17."
"You should submit a site to the single most relevant category."
Google's next tweak really has to be to deal with blatant unlevel playing field of dmoz.
don't figure?
Wonder how many people search for the open directory project on dmoz.org :)
You should submit your site to the single most appropriate category that is directly relevant to your site's content. Please only submit your site one time. The ODP editors reserve the right to use their editorial discretion to determine which category or categories your site will ultimately be placed.
Differently than what? ODP listings are instant pagerank. Some interest areas have the top sites peak out at PR6. Multiple links from dmoz PR7 or PR6 pages can instantly make a site (with good internal linking) #1 in pagerank for that interest area, without doing anything else.
Am I to conclude that it is correct to submit each of my individual webpages to to plausible dmoz directory pages? I've got a few pages on my site off-topic from the rest of it. When dmoz says "site" I apparently dumbly believed that they actually meant "site". If I got dmoz PR7 links to a couple of my inner pages, off-topic pages, that would easily vault me over my competition.
