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Did you accepted cookies from google? Investigating the whistleblower is standar police procedure.
I doubt anyhow that Google will do such a thing with someone coming from this forum. Did youmention WW or GG?
joined:June 18, 2002
Guess what - that site is now in the index twice & my site is gone. This isn't across all the datacenters....but what the heck?
Last time I file one of those spam reports - I should have cleared out my cookies prior
Maybe I am being paranoid
joined:June 15, 2001
I ask because there is a lot of talk of spam (with many differnt meanings) and I am sure a lot is calculated in that the webmaster knows what he/she is doing but there must also be some innocent webmasters out there.
We once had a member of staff a few years ago add one line of hidden text to pages he was responsible for. This text linked to his own site that I did not even know he had. Thankfully we discovered this by accident but still.
EDIT IN : I should point out that I do not use spam reports in anyway. I do not look for it and just concentrate on getting higher myself legitimately.
[edited by: Visit_Thailand at 2:59 am (utc) on Oct. 8, 2002]
When you submit a spam report, the Toolbar sends to Google-Home all the spam-techniques & urls saved in your h.d.
Hehe just kidding :)
[Sorry for your pages dropped. I'm hit hard too. But I don't think spam-reporting is the solution. Only my point of view of course.]
>Last time I file one of those spam reports - I should have cleared
>out my cookies prior
May not be enought. What abot the toolbar? That is a black box you have instaled, sending God knows what kind of data to google.
>Maybe I am being paranoid
Remenber Andy Grove is CEO at Intel, "Only The Paranoid Survive"
Google IS NOT playing on our team. Google has almost shut down the SEO business, and they know it, but they will not admit it. No "Iīm sorry", no "I will change", no "it was a mistake", just, well, you "donīt understand our side of the story". Oh, come, enougth is enought. You ca be SO easy to fool. Show some backbone, you boys, I can't be the only one talking here!
How much far can they go?
Well, maybe not much more.
I have. There was a site that signed up with CJ - and you could tell they sank a small fortune into their site, which was beautiful. I caught them on the 3rd page at Google with their pants down. I wrote the webmaster and told him to have their SEO fix the broken cloaking script and sent the URL for the page in the cache. There was really nothing spammish about it, and I didn't report it - that site is 100% relevant for the search term.
>>Show some backbone, you boys, I can't be the only one talking here!
hehe.. Marcos, I'm not a boy but I've got enough cajones for ten. ;) I've submitted spam reports with the form when it was outrageously annoying (like spewing circle-jerks), I've inquired to search-quality with domain email with my name, I always use the toolbar and never clear cookies.
Some ladies collect chickens or elephants, I collect spam. I've got a whole bookmarks folder full and prowl around to figure out what they're doing - for research purposes - with the toolbar on. How would Google know they're not mine? Those sites have stayed in - good enough reason to research, it's part of the education. If I ever were to get zapped, I'll be that much closer to having a clue why.
I have no fear of Google, and they're a friend to whoever is ranking well; so far I've been very lucky. I dropped way down on one site for a search term, and they're right and I'm wrong - I made changes without checking and the site is no longer relevant for what it was ranking for, it's now ranking for something else.
I don't worry about Google, they've got over 3 billion pages to take care of, little Ms. Me is the least of their concerns.
Marcia, why do you need software? What kind of ISP is this? Dial up, cable, DSL? You really shouldn't need special ISP software for an ISP connection. My dial up ISP Earthlink has software; never bothered with it and just roll my own DUN connectoids. Do be aware any ISP necessarily knows everywhere you surf, or for that matter any IP you connect to. They can know exactly what Usenet server you are downloading tons of porn from at any time. Oh, wait. That's me. Forget it. ;)
There was a big reshuffling with the last update about 2 weeks ago, any chance that your drop in position was solely related to the index change? Many of us experienced that kind of drop on some pages....
I plan to keep on reporting sites - if you are going to report a site, though, it's pretty hypocritical to do so if your own site isn't clean.
>I'm not a boy but I've got enough cajones for ten.
Ja. Yes I'm affraid I was starting to soung a little Mexico/Texan.
Still donīt know what happened to the last responsed I posted answering you.
PD: Am I crazy or the "Wired" tread has disapeared?
Randex, it could have been our index switchover, but submitting a spam report didn't cause the drop. I'll add this to the long list of "google myths", like advertising on Google helps your ranking. :)
Google never penalized my sites and due to this long lasting experience I (as a 'paranoid' adult webmaster) believe in Google's fairness.
The only thing I miss is a follow-up email, just to know my spam report is in the works. Coz this is wishful thinking, Google must accept repeated monthly spam reports. Sorry for the extra workload GoogleGuy, but I can't remember which URLs I've reported a month ago.
The drop happened after the index switchover.
Here's what happened:
Somebody at Google looked at the doorway page I reported and left it
alone. However, in their zeal they also looked at other sites nearby
and decided for some reason my site did not belong there and kicked
it down the well.
Add this to the long list of "google myths" and loss of credibility
So should we be suspicious of what Google tracks when we fill out spam reports, or should we be suspicious of stories on Webmasterworld designed to discourage webmasterworld regulars from filling out spam reports? ;)
"So should we be suspicious of what Google tracks when we fill out spam reports, or should we be suspicious of stories on Webmasterworld designed to discourage webmasterworld regulars from filling out spam reports?"
This has to be a personal decision based on the evaluation of
In the competitive world of the internet where there are parasites,
web page hijackers and other scum it would serve one well to
be somewhat suspicious of all comers.