The new algo has not hit Germany yet

Why not?

[SlyOldDog]

Anyone else noticed their sites which vanished from google.com are still up there on google.de? So far as I can make out Google.de did a minor shuffle but nothing really serious.

Is this evidence that Google may not have so much confidence in the new algorithm as they say?

[Lundy]

I have just checked a bunch of our targeted terms for one site on German Google and some searches show old results , some show the brand new--identical to Google.USA---varies from search to search.

(Mind you, this site concerns a very USA only subject--a resort area)

First one I tried, we were #1 in US before, now in new index sometimes #10, sometimes #12(second page-bummer)

Got good old results in Google.de search--#1

then next few combinations of our various 2 and 3 word key phrases, got the new, not so good results, maybe next one old better results. Back and forth between different searches, new-old-new-old in Googgle.de

Sorry

[Lundy]

Well I just learned something, don't use the browser BACK button or you unintentionally double post--sorry

[dan_popescu]

That's not what I see. Let's hope your rite though(they are not sure about the algo).

Dan

[GoogleGuy]

Our results from google.de come from the same index as google.com, SlyOldDog.

[SlyOldDog]

Bizarre. On all my search terms (competitive ones), WWW 1,2,3 are different from google.de

However when I run nearly any other search, the indexes are all the same. This seems to me that Google IS separating commercial and non-commercial searches.

Could it be that the Adwords Algorithm doesn't work yet on the foreign Googles?

[b4rney]

>Our results from google.de come from the same index as google.com, SlyOldDog.

After reading this thread I just tried www.google.de for a search term which has ranked #1 for me all year.

It is still #1.

On www.google.com it is #87.

GoogleGuy Something is definately different.

[john316]

Maybe someone should spider it and market it as "classic google"...it would probably be a huge success.

[jtoddv]

All of my targeted keyword/phrases are exactly the same as .com here, you guys are lucky I guess.

[heini]

Don't get drastically different results from Germany on Google.de either.
Strange phenomenon...

Anybody compared other local Google results?

[heini]

>same index
Note that GG said same index, not same ranking.
There have always been differences between results on local vs main Google. I tend to attribute this to catching on different servers, similar to the permanent movement in dbs when comparing www1,2,3.

Do you also see different link counts?

[b4rney]

4060 total results searching on google.com compared with 4080 on google.de.

Interesting the only difference is the search language. If your default language is German you get the old result sets. If I have hl=de in the querystring on google.com I get my old top ranking.

Curious!

[heini]

Differences in total number of results are quite common. However, if you really see pre-update results, the number of links should also differ. I can't see that?

[SlyOldDog]

My backward links are the same. It seems to me to be a difference in the ranking algorithm.

Suits me fine :)

[b4rney]

My site has no external links. The dramatic difference in SERPS can only be based on keywords etc.

In other words the algos somehow analyse the language in some way.

Any ideas why the same 2 keyword search would produce such dramatic SERP differences? #1 in German = #87 in english.

This surely means Google is ranking an english language search differently to a german one. How can this be if it is truly word/content based.

Let me know if you want the search terms and I'll sticky them to you.

[ciml]

I still see last month's results when searching "Das Web". 243,000 backlinks for Google.com

Very good results, too.
<duck>

[john316]

They may have had to recall the improved algo in germany to slow down the amount of spurrious click throughs to american adwords advertisers.

Most stateside advertisers (yes I know there are exceptions) are not geared to sell product overseas. So it would be better to give the germans "classic google" instead of the "improved google" for the sake of adwords clients.

[b4rney]

john316,

I see similar adword ad's for the same search terms.

I have started another thread on this topic because I have discovered differing results depending on the search language.

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[subway]

Our results from google.de come from the same index as google.com - GG

I am definitely getting different results on .de, are you sure it uses the same index for english language searches?

Much, much, much more favourable results. :)

[heini]

OK anybody seeing different, and I mean really different results for other than travel searches?

(please...don't post search phrases, not needed..

And those of you seeing different results, are you sure it's exactly pre-update results?

[b4rney]

heini,

I think my results on google.de (and other language google sites) are exactly the same position as last month. Although they are travel related.

Does anyone else have similar results for none travel related sites when searching from German, French or Spanish versions of Google.

I think we are definately onto something here.

[mykel]

Does anyone else have similar results for none travel related sites when searching from German, French or Spanish versions of Google

I also noticed that some ad*lt terms are returning results similar to last month's google.

[SlyOldDog]

Anyone got any theories on why English Searches on competitive search terms on Google.de should produce different results to Google.com?

To me this smells of intervention at Google. It's sure a good way of telling if your category is in the Google watch list or not.

[heini]

Just to note - this is not a difference between local Google and main Google really.
It's completely dependant on the language stetting part of the string.
Changing the hl=de (or: en, fr, whatever) part in the string does the trick even when you search Google.com

See b4rney's observations here:
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[Markus]

There really is no difference between the .com and the local Googles. www.google.de and the others have a CNAME (canonical name) DNS record that points to www.google.com. So, at the same point in time, your searches should always be distributed to the same data center.

Apparently, there seems to be a problem at Google's Zurich data center. I've just checked it and I sometimes got results from the old index. It seems that, for some reason, your searches at www.google.de are internally redirected to the Zurich data center. This cannot be checked, since the "Cached" link points to www.google.de and not to one of Google's IP addresses.

Admins and mods, I've sometimes been edited for posting stuff like this. I hope, this post meets your TOS. (There is no IP address or domain in it ;)) Maybe you should allow discussions on Google's data center structure to stop some of the confusion.

[heini]

Markus, did you get "old" results for searchterms other than travel or adult related?

Also, the different results I saw were not really the pre-update results, I believe. The total numbers of returned results differed drastically and did not meet the figures from pre-update.

Also, as noted before, this is not dependant on searching at Google.de or any other local Google address, it comes with the language setting in the search string.

[Markus]

Heini, what I first checked was the main keyword for the site in my profile. (I think it's not ok to post the keyword, but it should be obvious.) After the last update, my site went down from #11 to the fourth page. At the Zurich data center it's back on #11 right now. I thought it was obvious that those are the pre-update results, but I did some further checks and there seems to be more about it. Actually the rankings vary from #10 to #26 on the different data centers. That's really odd. And these are not the pre-update results.

I did check one keyword phrase in the travel industry. One page I was checking was somewhere around #100 before the last update. This page received a great inbound link and it went to #1 right after the update started (there were no changes regarding content). As the update settled, the page went down to page 4 at all data centers. Right now, the page is again at #1 at the Zurich data center. Again, there haven't been any modifications regarding content and it's still on page 4 at the other data centers. I'll have to do some tests with other sites.

[SlyOldDog]

The results I see are pre-update with 1 new site in between. Most of the sites which "vanished" in the update are still on German the search (is that better Terminology Heini? ;))

The new site which entered was a dynamicly generated one, so I guess it's there because Google added the page recently.

[vitaplease]

OK anybody seeing different, and I mean really different results for other than travel searches?

Heini,

I have not checked adult, but for travel related subjects there is a difference in ranking between google.com and google.local.

Try generic two word searches such as Hotels + location or Villas + location.
(there was an earlier, too specific and therefore deleted thread on this subject)

My first observation is that Google.local really wants the search phrase on-page or in the respective language.

Google.com will more strongly rank pages with the search phrase in the link towards the page or in the surrounding text. You can see this by checking the cache. On top of the cache it will show: "These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: "search phrase".

Anyone wanting a generic example sticky me.

[heini]

Vitaplease, that's what I see too: Location in some cases, location plus hotel in most cases.

It's not only different ranking, but also dramatic differences in number of returned results.