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Gone forever

Google have deleted it forever

         

Kevinp26

8:46 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have wrote to google several times and submitted my site countless times. Around the 21st They did a resubmission check and my site wasn't resubmitted. My site is <snip>
Can anyone tell me if there is anything wrong with my HTML and meta tags, or is that google have deleted it forever.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 9:08 am (utc) on Oct. 4, 2002]
[edit reason] per tos and forum charter, we don't do site reviews. [/edit]

hmpphf

9:29 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Kevin - please read your stickymail

chris_f

12:21 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Kevinp26,

The simplest way to find out if you site is coded properly is to use one of the may free tools that can validate your html or stylesheets. Can I suggest you try here for HTML validation [validator.w3.org] or here for stylesheet validation [jigsaw.w3.org].

Chris.

mack

12:25 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have first hand experience of a site not being listed due to bad code?

creative craig

12:48 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Its not that the site wont be listed, its that the spider and the Indexer that google use may not be able to read the code on the page, for example if the <a href> tag wasnt properly written the indexer wouldnt be able to send the spider off to that particular page, which could be an internal or external high PR page. Because of this it could effect your own sites PR thus resulting in a lower entry in the index .

Does anyone know if the google-bot allows for a small amount of invalid code?

Mohamed_E

1:29 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot has learned to expect a large amount of invalid code, that is a fact of life on the Internet. The following is from section 4.4 of The Anatomy of a Search Engine [www7.scu.edu.au]:

Parsing -- Any parser which is designed to run on the entire Web must handle a huge array of possible errors. These range from typos in HTML tags to kilobytes of zeros in the middle of a tag, non-ASCII characters, HTML tags nested hundreds deep, and a great variety of other errors that challenge anyone's imagination to come up with equally creative ones.

thejenn

1:32 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've seen plenty of sites listed that had horrid code in them. The rise of Front Page and even the ability to save a Word Doc into HTML have left anyone and everyone as a "webmaster."

I think you'd have to have some pretty major errors to not be listed due to code problems.

That said, I'd use a validator to clean it up, then work on building up your incoming links. The more chances Googlebot has to find you, the more likely he'll make his way through your site and index it.

Shoestring

1:45 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard that if you run google.com through that it in fact won't validate!

Various style/speed/browser issues make it almost impossible sometimes to have a page fully validate. I don't even bother with it now, as long as it looks good in the major browsers.

Like thejenn said, it would have to be MAJOR errors to stop the bot.

hmpphf

3:20 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I saw the code before it was deleted from this thread - it contained MAJOR errors

GoogleGuy

3:35 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I didn't see the site, but we don't penalize for HTML errors, unless they're used to hide links/text on a page. ;)

There's just too many people writing html by hand who forget to close a tag for us to be ultra-strict about validation.

And yes, if you try to validate Google's page, you'll see some errors. Those are by choice; either we wanted the page to load faster or for other reasons.

hmpphf

5:17 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm sure GG's not winking at me... not that I'm paranoid...

mack

5:22 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Go on Googleguy, admit it you use Frontpage :)

Kevinp26

6:05 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have seen your site

KJP's Asperger's Syndrome site

Kevinp26

6:06 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you go on google and type in KJP's Asperger's Syndrome Site you will find the URL if you click on it. That is the site

Kevinp26

6:07 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What major errors did the code contain? Could you look at it again for me please? It has cost my site abut 50 hits

Kevinp26

8:47 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My website KJP's Asperger has been banned from google for not meeting the necessary standards to assign page rank. It seems that writing text that in such a way it can be seen by search engines but not users, cloaking and fooling or misleading search engines are a reason for this. Can anyone tell me how to overcome these problems.

electro

10:22 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Buy a new domain name, write well written content, well coded, straight HTML code with proper use of page headings, header tags ect, with no cloaking or other nonsense, get it listed in DMOZ, get other respected sites to link to you, update the content as often as you can.

ikbenhet1

11:12 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No need to do all that.
Your site is not banned or removed.

You are trying to rank on a results page containing only DMOZ listed sites with pr>4-5.

1) You don't have dmoz listing.
2)Title = 1 word (compettitve dmoz results for that word pr>4)
3)No descripton tag
4)keyword tag, this is not the way to rank high.
5)you have pr<4
6)where are your backlinks?

Get backlinks try dmoz listing, if you do the same with the new domain you will rank exactly the same, don't waste your money.

ciml

11:59 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Kevinp26:
> ...been banned from google for not meeting the necessary standards to assign page rank.

Was this confirmed Kevin? I agree that it would be odd to be in Yahoo! and the ODP but not Google (especially so if you're in the Google cache).

In general, I'd suggest that trying to mislead Google isn't a good thing. It takes some people almost a year to get their penalty lifted.

vmcknight

12:08 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's listed in DMOZ in the Asperger's category. The site's on a free host.

ikbenhet1

12:28 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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mmm, site is in dmoz, but google shows no dmoz listing.

I think the dmoz listing is not picked up yet by Google, and your site is 'gone' because of the everflux effect.
You should see dmoz listing in google after this update is this is correct.

ps. like GG said, it's not the html errors that cause this.

Kevinp26

2:40 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You are going to explain all this complex mumbo jumbo to me. What is flux effect? Is it banned from google. Are there any clear, quick, no bull****, free website redirecting sites on the web.

Kevinp26

4:53 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You are going to show me text by text, spoon by spoon web redirectors. I don't understand. Above my level of comprehension. Unlike you lot, I don't have an IQ of 230 and a degree in Computer studies. I have tried to redirect it today and it has done my front page in. You are going to have to show me or help me from scratch. Dazed and confused. Weeeoooowwww above my head.

My address is Kevecc@hotmail.com

If not I am closing my site down.

cLuTcHFieND

5:41 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Maybe if you asked, instead of saying "you are going to do this", then someone would be more willing to help you.

Just a thought.

ciml

7:09 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Kevin, Marcia's thread explains the Google Everflux [webmasterworld.com] but I don't know what you mean by website redirecting sites.

From your description there is a problem. Some people have had success by contacting Google to ask if they have a penalty, but keep in mind that they sometimes get more mail than they can answer.

Kevinp26

7:22 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ok. I am sorry. Could any of you please be kind enough to help me redirect my site or help me with the cloaking and other things with my site please.

AAnnAArchy

9:32 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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clutchfiend
Maybe if you asked, instead of saying "you are going to do this", then someone would be more willing to help you.

I think that's more of a language problem than rudeness.

AAnn

hmpphf

7:47 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi

Kevin has bought some web space with his own .com address and I'm rebuilding his site for him.

From recent experience it seems likely we'll be in Google within the week.

Having a son with Aspergers I didn't need any convincing that Kevin's site represents a worthy cause.

Cheers

hmpphf