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Getting Doorway Site Indexed via Google

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richwangler

1:41 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I designed a website a couple months ago which is a shopping site that basically has a bunch of outbound links on it (around 25). I know it sounds cheesy and overdone but the design was well thought out, and it looks like a first rate site. I have a few internal links regarding customer service etc.. (around 5). At this point I have no other sites linked to me. Google-Bot has visited me on a couple occassions but the site still has not been indexed. Its been about 6 weeks. Also my PageRank bar is grayed out. I am guessing that Google doesnt approve of the site. Has anybody done a simliar style site that they were able to get indexed? Does anybody have any suggestions. Thank ya.

Sasquatch

1:48 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



At this point I have no other sites linked to me.

PageRank has to do with incoming links. No incoming links - PR0, not worth indexing.

Get some incoming links.

Google-Bot has visited me on a couple occassions but the site still has not been indexed.

I think google will check sites with newly registed domains to see if they have any good outbound links, whether or not you are worth adding to the index.

pageoneresults

2:12 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello richwangler, welcome to Webmaster World.

> Getting Doorway Site Indexed via Google

The title of your post is a little deceiving. What exactly is a Doorway Site?

richwangler

2:29 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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haha...I dont know if I'd consider it deceiving...perhaps vague though. I just think of it as a 'Doorway Site' because it doesnt really have that much content itself. Its a well laid out main page with around 5 internal pages, and a bunch of outbound links to other shopping sites. No new idea, just wanna get listed.

I hear ya Sasquatch I'll heed the advice that I need to find some sites to link to my site. Thats a little bit easier said than done though. (especially for quality sites to link to any site) I plan on putting forth some effort towards that in the sort term. thanks for your time.

Sasquatch

2:38 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



Adding content is the google song. Adding content to your pages would go a long way towards making people willing to link to you.

Why would I want to link to your page of links instead of just adding the links to my own page.

JayC

3:14 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Also my PageRank bar is grayed out. I am guessing that Google doesnt approve of the site.

The grayed-out PR indicator just means that the page isn't in Google's index... it's not necessarily an indicator that Google "doesn't approve." But, Google does in general disapprove of doorways, and makes it clear that in order to be listed a page must be linked to from other indexed pages. This site won't be likely to be found in Google until there are some links leading to it.

mayor

7:51 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here's my suggestions:

(1) Get at least two links from other sites that have a PR of 3 or better, and make sure those links are relevant to something on your site. These links will help get Google's interest and may even be your initial source of traffic.

(2) write up a really nice page of content that is also relevant to something on your site. A well-thought-out consumer-oriented tutorial on something you are promoting can fit in well. Eventually people will link to this without your having to ask. The links will become a source of traffic and will also boost your site's Google page rank.

Also try to get this content page accepted by DMOZ (The Open Directory Project) but it better be good if your shopping site is mostly affiliate programs because they seem to have a hate campaign against these kind of sites.

(3) be sure to have linkage within your site for Googlebot to follow from your site's home page to easily get to the other pages on your site, and have a link on each of those subpages back to your home page. This is, of course, also good for human navigation.

(4) submit your pages one time, but not more, to Google.

Give yourself at least two months after establishing the initial links to your site. The grey toolbar simply means you aren't indexed yet. Expect it to go green and white when it is indexed, and expect an intial page rank of around two or three, although zero and one are possible for a new site. Just don't expect any action until you get to PR3 or 4. Chase down some more links if necessary to get your rank into this "starter" range.

creative craig

8:24 am on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I had similar problems for nearly two months. Google refused to index me at all, I had several visits from the Google-Bot but with no luck.

Then one day the drought ended, now over 90% of hits are from google :)

The only thing that I changed, was to get 7 inbound links and 4 good outbound links, the next week I was indexed.

jilla

12:06 pm on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have a few related questions to this:

I have 3 domains and when I checked with the toolbar 2 would say "no rank" (with the mouse effect). I assume this is different than a PR0.
Is that right?

Also, I have a site with PR1 and the only page indexed is the index page. I can't seem to get other pages indexed despite both internal and external links to it. Could a PR1 be treated as a PR0? I've written some articles which others link to from their site but they usually format it in their own unique style and I haven't seen any duplicates.

Finally, if you have a subdirectory for something ie pain medication and they individual pages (ie tylenol, vioxx ). Should the individual page (ie tylenol) link back to both the index page and also to the subdirectory index page (pain medications)? Or is it better to just go back to the main index page. I thought linking back to both the index and subdirectory index page could be a way to distribute pr throughout the site better. And would it be a mistake to link between the individual medications (ie tylenol going to vioxx) if it was 4 or 5 or would that be a dangerous crosslinking flag?

Thanks for any help.

JayC

3:36 pm on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have 3 domains and when I checked with the toolbar 2 would say "no rank" (with the mouse effect). I assume this is different than a PR0.
Is that right?

Yes... the tip message that the page is not ranked, which is the same as a "grayed out" PageRank, means that the page isn't in the index. A PR0 page is in the index, but the PageRank is zero... the PR bar will be all white, not gray.

A PR0 may be the result of a penalty, or may be "naturally occuring."

Could a PR1 be treated as a PR0?

A PR1 is a very low PageRank, as is PR0. Google is less likely to follow links from a page of such a low PR than it is a higher one, and a PR1 page will pass little PageRank on to other pages. If you get your PR1 increased, your other site will probably be indexed as well.

would that be a dangerous crosslinking flag?

If, as it seems, you're talking about linking within the same site, I wouldn't worry about that -- it's linking approaches between sites that might lead to trouble. As for the question on "distributing PR," it's not that simple to answer; it depends a lot on the whole nav structure of the site. But just remember that the more outgoing links on a page, the less PR each link will pass to the linked page. With that in mind, it's often helpful to have fewer links and "target" your PR distribution instead of distributing it as widely as possible.