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allanp73

1:47 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A few months ago, I built the site
[mydomain.com...] . I tried to make the site
pretty by making the top text heading, which was in a white background table, the same color as the background of page. I know that making text the same color as the background is considered spam, but I thought it would be okay if it was in a table which was a different color. I wasn't trying to hide text in fact I was trying to accentuate it.
I realized there was a problem when the Googlebot refused to visit my
site (I checked the logs) even it is listed on DMOZ and even appears in Google's directly (with a zero page rank). I quickly changed the color of the text and resubmitted it to Google, but with no luck. I even tried submitted pages from the site and links from other sites. The Googlebots refuse to visit it. I'm not sure what to do. The site has over 3000 links and is a major site, but I can't seem to get it on Google. If there is someone from Google reading this, I had no intention of spamming and hope the site can be listed soon.
Is there a set length to how long a site appears on the spam list?
What do I do? PLEASE HELP. I also had a problem with the site [myotherdomain.com...] which isn't on DMOZ but has equal amount of links, but isn't appearing on Google either.

Thanks in advance,
Allan

[edited by: NFFC at 1:55 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2002]
[edit reason] Live URL's removed [/edit]

dazz

1:56 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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could be the cross linking of your sites thats the problem?

Nick_W

1:59 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi, welcome to WebmasterWorld!

Googleguy is our resident G employee and with a bit of luck he may see your post.... other than that I'm not sure how long you'll remain on the banned list :(

Nick

allanp73

2:00 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Why would cross linking be a problem. The other sites are getting indexed fine. The cross linking happened actually after the original problem of Google not visiting the site. And still won't visit only these two sites out of the 30 that are cross linked.

allanp73

2:04 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm new to this group. I just noticed that my URLs were remove from my post. Is there any way to have them show. I need people to view them because the is a possbility that the reason they are not indexed by Google is a code issue.
here are the two sites: <snip>

[edited by: NFFC at 2:09 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2002]
[edit reason] We try and keep to general issues, not specific URL's [/edit]

chiyo

2:08 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Allan, how do you know that same color backgound text in a coloured background table is the problem? Almost all our sites do this, and there has been no problem in Google for the 3 years we have been doing it.

Is it a guess, your best guess, and are you aware of the many other things that make it difficult to get certain sites into google?

From my reading here, I feel that Google's algorithm very rarely takes only one thing into consideration, but downrakings maybe be caused by a combination of "transgressions" adding up.

For example, there was a guy in here not so long ago that was unaware that google, very rarely, blocks domains that were previously owned by people who had done bad things. Indeed i think almost all of use didnt know that until googleguy confirmed it! So look at all the possible reasons for you not getting indexed.

Let me know. Now you have got me worried!

chiyo

2:11 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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allan, you can put the url into your profile if you want people to look at them. If you have the same email as your web site, it will confirm that is actually your site. But seeing you are in the real estate field thats very competitive and a lot of sites look the same. Is there enough original content, you should look at crosslinking issues, or possible duplicate content, or many other things. I dont think one of these things alone will make much difference but a few might.

[edited by: chiyo at 2:18 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2002]

NFFC

2:13 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld allanp73,

If I were you I wouldn't put the URL's in your profile.

Have you checked that your robots.txt file is OK?

allanp73

2:16 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, the second site didn't have this problem with color. However, I checked my logs Google won't visit. Neither URL was previous owned. And I'm not a spammer by any means. It really surprises me that Google won't visit. You would expect the Google would atleast check the site for code which it deems as bad. My weblogs show zero Googlebot visits.

allanp73

2:19 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have checked the robots.txt file. Actually, I have only a blank one for these sites, which I added only a little while ago. I didn't have any for the other sites and it was never a problem. So I really don't believe that the robots file is the problem.

chiyo

2:21 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No bot visits?

Thats curious.

if googlebot hasnt visited, then how can google tell about your same color text?

Are your weblogs operating ok? And as NFFC said, is your robots.txt OK? Are there links FROM sites that could be suspect on google's terms.

[edited by: chiyo at 2:23 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2002]

NFFC

2:22 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>I have checked the robots.txt file.

I'd check it again if I were you.

Have a look here [searchengineworld.com...]

allanp73

2:27 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, the first was visited, but Google has come back to see that I corrected the problem. The second site was never visited.
My understanding of the robots.txt file is that if the SE doesn't see one then it is fine. Usually, these files are given in order to tell the SE to not index certain pages, the person wishes to kept secret. I really don't believe this is the problem.
I added these sites to my profile, if you want to take a look.

I'll remove them when the problem is solved. I'm not looking for visitors just assistance.

NFFC

2:34 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> I really don't believe this is the problem.

I'd check it again if I were you.

Are you related to my wife? :)

allanp73

2:45 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I checked and doubled checked. My robots file is just a blank txt file.

Who is your wife?

eplus

2:48 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think the problem is that there is just nothing good linking to you. I did a backward search on alltheweb.com for pages that link to either of your two sites and the results were pretty poor.

site 1 had two links, one from a very low ranking site and the other from a url with a lot of variables in the url, probably too many for google to look at.

site 2 only had one link from a low ranking site.

Based on this I wouldn't expect a listing in google or if I did have one I'd expect it to be a very low page ranked listing.

You mention that the site is linked to by thousands of sites did you use a free for all submitter to get these listings if so these are filtered out by google?

allanp73

2:57 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I hate FFA's. When I say 3000 links, I mean this many links from good sites. The site is also linked on DMOZ, which is worth a hundred links. If you look at the bottom of the page the sites it links to are linked back to it. Most of these sites are on Google and are very well ranked. (Some will appear on Google once it does its next update.)
Both sites should do well, but for reason are suffering.

Beachboy

3:01 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dmoz is worth a hundred links? Dang...I didn't know that. Learn something new every day around these parts!

pageoneresults

3:29 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> If I were you I wouldn't put the URL's in your profile.

I agree with NFFC. If I were you, I'd remove the URL's from your profile as soon as possible. Upon quick glance, I'd say crosslinking is a problem. Your other properties are also at risk. There are other issues at hand which probably shouldn't be discussed in the open forum.

P.S. A blank robots.txt file is not recommended. According to Brett, some robots may misinterpret a blank robots text file.

allanp73

3:37 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I removed the links. I don't think cross linking would create the problem. Many sites cross link, even the major players do this and don't suffer.
Why would cross-linking be a problem. If anything cross-linking is useful for the user and the search engine.

allanp73

3:47 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What code should I put in this file then?

pageoneresults

3:48 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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allanp73, check your sticky mail. I sent you a short explanation on why crosslinking is probably an issue in your case. If you do a site search here at the forums for crosslinking, you'll find a wealth of information, much of it relative to your current situation.

pageoneresults

3:52 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> What code should I put in this file then?

User-agent: *
Disallow: /_private/
Disallow: /css/
Disallow: /javascript/

I would assume that you have some directories in there that you might not want indexed, or even individual pages. There are many robots.txt files out there that just have this...

User-agent: *
Disallow:

Based on a recent post by Brett, he states that having a blank file like this might be misinterpreted by the spiders. I've never used a blank file like the above because all sites that I manage have at least one directory that I disallow, usually a working or temp directory. Since I use css and javascript, I always have those two directories disallowed.

glengara

4:02 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I notice Allan's gone from 1 message to 21 in one thread, is this a record?

allanp73

4:43 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure why. But I was told to remove the URLs from my profile. I didn't think it made any difference. But I don't want to come across incorrectly. I really just want to fix this Google problem.

NFFC

4:45 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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URL's in profile posts split off to [webmasterworld.com...]

Robert Charlton

4:47 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>I know that making text the same color as the background is considered spam, but I thought it would be okay if it was in a table which was a different color.<<

As far as this part of your original question... when this kind of formatting comes up, I usually handle the font color with css. That way you don't have similar or indentical font and background colors to flag the engines.

I don't know whether the engines have gotten smart enough to see your example, of text in a table, as not hidden text. I do know that there are some flagrant examples of stuffed hidden text in a lot of competitor's pages that Google isn't seeing.

startup

5:45 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"A few months ago, I built the site"
The site has been around for along time. Are you saying you bought it recently?

allanp73

6:17 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I bought it over five months ago. I don't believe it had any previous owners.

pageoneresults

6:42 pm on Sep 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I believe this would be a very good place for you to start in regards to interlinking...

Crosslinking, Interlinking and Reciprocal Linking [webmasterworld.com]

That post provides links to other topics that have been discussed here at Webmaster World. There is a lot of information to read but I think you'll find the answers to your problems there.

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