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keywords in non-frames part of frames page!

indexed by google in frames

         

soapystar

11:34 am on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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google indexes the part of the frames page that says.."your broswer does not support frames"..so im wondering if on my frame pages i can stuff...er...place some keywords say a paragraph in length on the non-frames section for google to feast on? any problems?

b4rney

11:46 am on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You could do that. Many people do ... but it goes against Googles Do's and Don'ts section:
[google.com...]
Second in the don't list!

I imagine that content related text would be OK though. Where google just can't index the 'real' page. As long as you don't spam keywords and stick to a related subject.

Why don't you write an identical page for non-frame compatible browsers? This would solve the problem and you wouldn't be breaking any rules.

Good luck

soapystar

12:13 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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im not sure that really applies to the no-frames body. since anyone with a browser not supporting frames would be able to read the text. But its really not worrth the risk and i am shelving the idea. thanks for possibly saving me from a competitors beady eye!

Macguru

12:28 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi soapystar,

You are right, Google does index the NOFRAMES tag. If you do a search on "your browser does not support frames" you will find more than a million of entries. ;)

If your site already uses frames. The framesets are better filled with relevant text and links to other parts of the site. But I think Google is not giving the same weight to the NOFRAMES tag it would to to a whole <body> section of a regular page or frame.

If you go by the rules, I believe you wont be penalised. The tag was intended for this. If your homepage is a frameset. Filling the NOFRAMES tag is a must. Same thing for main sections framesets.

But it will not score as non framed site.

b4rney

12:39 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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soapystar

I didn't mean to put you off using the NOFRAMES tag for relevant content.

The best analogy would be to use it as a content metatag. You want google to find something relevant when it hits your page and you will not be penalised for having relevant content in NOFRAMES even if a competitor complains.

Go ahead and use it, just don't spam it.
:)

soapystar

12:45 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i appreciate the help and advice. The frame pages are links outside my site which i use so i can keep the navigation to my own site at the top of the browsers window. It makes sense that google would not rank text in noframes tags very high and as such it just isnt worth putting key text or words there given that it could, even if only at a stretch, be seen as spamming.

ikbenhet1

12:59 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"it will score as a non-framed site"

comment: I rank Good with framed sites.
r u 100% sure or just 99,9%?

and for b4, browser who don't support frames show the noframes section, so the don'ts list does not apply for this one i think.

Macguru

1:27 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>100% sure or just 99,9%?

Honestly, only between 90 % and 99,0 %. Some 10 or 8 months ago almost all my framed site sudenly suffered a penality. But I was also using JS (window.replace) redirect to force into frameset. So I am not really sure about what triggered the penality.

One thing is for sure, 'flattening' the sites to non-framed fixed the problem on Google. It also fixed another problem on Fast/Lycos : No longuer using all positions on first SERP. ;)

b4rney

1:40 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi ikbenhet1,

Google says:
"Dont ... Write text or create links that can be seen by search engines but not by visitors to your site."

Maybe we're heading off topic ... but ... I've always thought that because of spider technology (specifically frame incompatibility) the google "don't" warning above could be said to refer to NOFRAME browsers where frames exist.

I would argue that if a site has frames then 99% of visitors see the frames but the search engines and small minority of NOFRAMES browser users won't. Surely this is what Google means?

If I am wrong then the NOFRAMES tag is ripe for exploitation by corrupt webmasters and Google does not guard against this misuse.

Sorry for going off topic!:)

ikbenhet1

2:25 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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soapstar,

No problems,

if you add text between the noframes, the description of your listing in Google will change from the META description content that you have to the text between the NOFRAMES and this will be used same as the meta.

BUT

you can't have a 'boost in rank' bij adding text to noframes, since then you're meta tag will be ingored by Google.

ciml

2:49 pm on Sep 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think that Google can index the text and links in noframes, but that it doesn't like it as much. Rather like URLs with? characters.

I run no Web sites with frames other than a couple of test pages, so please take this with a dose of salt.