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Internal links not computed as 'backward links'

Internal links are sometimes considered "backward links" and sometimes not.

         

rubenbla

5:32 pm on Sep 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My site shows no internal links at all in the "Backward links" search, and it's been moved from #11 to #36, while some other sites now rank higher computing lots of internal links. I have even noticed in other sites that not all internal links are computed, someone knows why some internal links 'count' as backward links and others don't?

I've only found this thread about this, and it doesn't solve too much :-(
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glengara

5:36 pm on Sep 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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AFAIK, internal links also need to be a PR4+ to show up.

paynt

5:47 pm on Sep 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



Welcome to Webmaster World rubenbla. Please read my Webmaster World welcome letter [webmasterworld.com]. I hope this will help you to familiarize yourself with the board and community. Be sure to make yourself familiar with the search feature because it may become your best resource here.

To specifically address your question I would need to know:

1.Has your site been spidered by Google and if so how deeply – (i.e. – check your log stats)
2.When did you get your Google listing?
3.Was your site down at all during a googlebot run?
4.Are you dynamic or static?
5.Do you have a site map? A ‘where we can be found on the web page?
6.Check on your link partners and make sure you are still linked
7.What is the PR of the pages you are linked on?

rubenbla

8:39 pm on Sep 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your answers:

glengara: most of the pages linking to the root are PR4.

paynt: thanks for your advice, this are the answers to your questions:

1. The site was spidered 8 months ago, it had PR5 and 314 backward links, ranking #9 for the most relevant keyword.
2. First Goggle listing was in january 2002.
3. I dont' think the site was down during a googlebot run.
4. Every page is named index.php, located in a different specific subdirectory.
5. There is no sitemap, since all the pages have the same links.
6. The link partners are still linked, but I guess the problem concerns the internal links.
7. root is PR4, and the pages linking to the root are PR4, PR3, PR2.

Goooooooosh! :-( I do not have a single page linking to the root! They are all linking to www.thesite.com/language1/ or www.thesite.com/language2/. Well, I guess this is the problem! I don't understand why I had internal links before (I supose Google procedures changed this behaviour).

BTW, I read in this forum the closer to the root was not necesarily the better. I can tell the closer the better, pages located in level 2 subdirectories (www.thesite.com/subdir1/subdir2/) have all PR4, level 3 are PR3 and so on! so, I think is best to forget about subdirectories.

Grumpus

9:06 pm on Sep 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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AFAIK, internal links also need to be a PR4+ to show up.

I thought that too, but it's not really the case, I don't think. I've got bunches of pr4 pages, no internal links except for my redundant "default.asp" page which is PR5.

First month, every page counted. After that, none, except the root linking to itself. I suspect that dynamic sites don't get internal links counted except for the very first crawl when google needs to come up with a "seed" PR, though I'm not sure on any of that. My static web design site gets credit for all of it's internal links.

<shrug> I haven't really sweated it as similar sites with similar PR seem to have roughly the same amount of inbound links. It has always seemed a bit odd, though.

G.

rubenbla

8:48 am on Sep 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm lost again, I guess I declared victory too soon, since the count of backward links are just the same for www.thesite.com/ and www.thesite.com/language1/.

BTW, if all the internal urls in the site are just references to directories (www.thesite.com/subject/) instead of files (www.thesite.com/subject.php or www.thesite.com/subject.html), does the spider identify this pages as static or dinamic?

egomaniac

3:11 pm on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>root is PR4, and the pages linking to the root are PR4, PR3, PR2.

I think this is your answer. The PR3, and PR2 pages are likely the ones not showing up. You may want to check a few to see if this is the issue.

>the closer to the root was not necesarily the better. I can tell the closer the better, pages located in level 2 subdirectories (www.thesite.com/subdir1/subdir2/) have all PR4, level 3 are PR3 and so on! so, I think is best to forget about subdirectories.

This is a common mistake many people make in analyzing their site. Distance from the root is irrelevant. What matters is how much pagerank is being directed at a particular page. I can build a page 5 levels away from the root with a pagerank of 6 on a site with a root index page value of only 4 if I wanted to (not that I would). It all depends on where you direct both the internal and external pagerank at. Think of PR as like liquid gold... that is its valuable, and it flows continuously. Point the most links where you want to have the highest PR pages. Minimize your links to the pages that don't have any keyword value.

Subdirectories are fine, especially if they make your site appear to be better organized to the user.