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Really Interesting PR Discovery

are there sub PR values?

         

SuperSoup

8:59 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have just learned today that when looking at backward links for a page with a page rank of 4 or less there is no trace of any links on the goolge advanced search option. there is also a case for any pages that are linking to the site you are checking that are 4 or under in PR value, they should not apear in the results that is if your page is 4 or higher because if the page is 4 or under there will be no links in the result zero. First im not sure if this is 100% right commments welcomed.

also to make matters more interesting some PR4 sites show links and some other PR4 sites dont this would tell me that PR is estimated and there really is more behind the whole number like 4.1, 4.2 or 4.5 mabey the threshold is not 4 for the link problem but 4.? thats why some page rank 4's show links and others dont.

can someone tell me if im thinking right or am i going a little crazy?

bobriggs

9:03 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No, I don't think you're a little crazy.

I just found one myself. It was PR4 or 5, but no links back. Then I did a search on 'contain the term' and it had zillions of PR3's linking to it.

So I suppose this is possible also.

Hemsell

10:27 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That entire "LINK:" thing on Google is very unreliable if you ask me.
I have always suspected that it is something that the server quits doing if it gets busy.

last night at three in the am it was showing pr3's linking to pr4 pages. during the day it often stops working.

Todd

SuperSoup

10:49 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hemsell

the link thing on google might feel unreliable but i would tend to think it is an exact science and that it is very important not to stop understanding how it works because it could quickly get ahead of you and leave you guessing for months (not saying that it is has not already left all of us way behind) mabey not! ;)

here is another thing to think about Does putting outgoing links on your site DILUTE your PR

ikbenhet1

10:57 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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this you can seek up in the search database as there was a same sort of thread before, i remember.

but i give a answer anyway since i'm here:
yes, you're correct, below pr4 linkback sites do not show up in the results, not just for your sites, for all of us.

Beachboy

11:08 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It does not dilute the PR for the page in question, but each outbound link impacts on how much PR gets passed down the line. Three outbound links means 1/3 the value gets passed to each. Or so the consensus goes. ;)

ikbenhet1

11:28 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i like to add,

if a pr4 site has 100 links on it, then for each of those sites the backlinks show (right?)

[edit:added] i read somewhere else in forum that it isn't about the quantity of links you have to your site but rather the quality of the sites (pr's) that links to you. but i could be wrong of course (not about that part that i read it elswhere on this forum)

[edited by: ikbenhet1 at 11:36 pm (utc) on Sep. 1, 2002]

Beachboy

11:34 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Not quite. It takes a page with PR 4 minimum in order to display backward links. Of those 100 backward links, only pages with PR 4 or above are going to be listed. And so on.

ikbenhet1

11:39 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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sorry you got me wrong there.

example:
if a pr4 site, links to 100 other sites.
then take 1 of those 100 other sites. and then use the link:[1ofthe100sites] command.

then the pr4 site should popup in the results for all of them.

that's what i ment.

Beachboy

11:42 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I haven't performed that experiment, but yes I believe that is the way it's supposed to work.

SuperSoup

11:53 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ikbenhet1

yes it would appear for them because it was comming from a PR$ site BUT if the www.1ofthe100links.com site is not HIGHER than a PR$ itself then you wont know cause you wont be able to see it they are like all blocked from being seen.

that leads me to ask does the fact that your links are blocked because you are a PR3 mean you have no link popularity for ranking or do you still retain your links but its simply not shown? Because someone with no links wont apear anyware NEAR the first page.

SuperSoup

5:16 pm on Sep 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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the PR$ above should read PR4 not PR$

thanks

ciml

5:36 pm on Sep 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> ...does the fact that your links are blocked because you are a PR3 mean you have no link popularity for ranking or do you still retain your links but its simply not shown?

Just that they are not shown. The links do count.

If you watch the decay of PageRank through a site with no external deep links then it might fall away at like this: 5,4,3,2,1,0,0,0,0,0, then you stop getting crawled. I speculate that this really means 5,4,3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3,-4, then you stop getting crawled.

If the bottom is approximately -4 on the Toolbar then that should indicate a very small fraction in real terms (due to the log scale). This is, of course quite theoretical.

The best resolution I have is approximately 0.03 of a Toolbar notch. Without getting into too much detail it involves watching the decay of PageRank through a site with no external deep links.