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I wonder if anyone shares similar experiences?
The biggest factor in how a page debuts IMO is how and from where it is introduced to Google.
I wonder if anyone shares similar experiences?
I had a similar thing happen. I debuted at pr4, soared to 8 then down to 5. I've recently updated my pages,links, directory names and am looking forward to what difference this will make.
I suspect that an upsurge of pr3 inbound links (themed), may have had a negative effect on my pr. It's only a suspicion. If my recent changes help my pagerank (in addition to my rank positions), that'll be interesting.
This sounds like the page is cached and indexed however the PR is not calculated and attached to that page until 1-2 months later??
I assume that the pages, after they got spidered and indexed, also get a real PR. PR for these internal pages I am talking about, is usually 4. Only few get a link from outside (outbound). And the number of internal links are not very different for a recent page and an "old" page.
Then I fell to pr5 a month later, and with it, my plans for total world wide web domination.
I suspect that an upsurge of pr3 inbound links (themed), may have had a negative effect on my pr.
Interesting. This gives me some food for thought.
As ones website rises in PR, those low PR internal pages begin to achieve some PR, also. This begins to theme your website from the bottom up. This may be very good if those internal pages are on theme. Very bad if they are haphazardly put together and off topic.
When a new page is in the Google index for the first time, it ranks better than the subsequent months.
We need a clarification of vocabulary here.
By "rank better", do you mean "positioned higher in a specific search", or do you mean "higher PageRank in the toolbar"?
there is some confusion - you are right. Sorry if I did not express myself clearly. What I mean is the search results position (SERP) for the specific keyword for which I target a page. When I have for instance position number 5 the first month, the next month I fall back to maybe # 12. I do not mean PR. PR remains usually unchanged.
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I proposed the notion about a rate-of-change involving inbound links that impacts of relevancy/positioning. The symptoms you people are describing (month 1, good positioning; month 2, slipped positioning) can be explained by this theory.
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This is done to ensure a less static serp.
My feeling has always been that it takes Google at least 2 months to take back-linking etc into account to calculate a 'true PR'. I've seen this with the new sites that we launch ie. the first month PR is low, pages are indexed and back links do not show with link:mysite.com
In the case of new pages, I think that Google may attach a different PR that does not take into account backlinking or even internal site linking (and closer to Home Page -1 for each sub directory).
The PR visible in the toolbar remains usually the same from month 1 to the following (PR4). But if the actual Page Rank within the let's say PR4 scale is higher for the one temporarily assigned in month 1, then this could be an explanation. I can confirm that the internal backward links shown from links: mysite.com are not settled before about two months after page launch.
in my opinion, the rate of recent new inbound links (internal and external) does seem to have an effect on the frequent spidering and consequential ever-flux effect. See message #128 on
As I explained in that message, using the age and the freshness of links for ranking purposes, would compensate for not being around long enough to have collected sufficient inbound links. For the moment I would say all my ranking droppings have had to do with competition getting more and better inbound links though.
Your new page is most likely highly tuned to the current optimization techniques, and probably based on some recent successful experience template. But the SE algorithms change so the tuning drifts off the mark. In addition, competition takes note that they slipped a little when you came aboard the SERPs with your spiffy new optimized page and they begin planning their attack to regain their lost ground, quite possibly by analyzing your page.
The higher your page ranks in the SERPs and the more competitive your subject, the faster the competition will come after you.
Right now I'm cleaning up some old no-longer performing pages I made about three years ago, and marveling at how they ever perfomed in the first place.
I agree. But this is more the long-term effect. However I observe a short-term effect with nearly all my new pages: there is a significant drop after the first month, i.e. the drop takes place when the page is in the index for the second and consecutive months. I therefore have the feeling that there is some mechanism that works like a bonus for a page that is in the index for the first month. The field in which I am active, is not very competitive either and has a low change rate (arts).
Here is another possible contributor for this phenomenon you observe:
Since your inbound PR will probably not be growing in proportion to your aggressive content creation, older pages will have a smaller piece of the PR pie in subsequent updates. Therefore since a pages PR is a key component in SERP rankings, it seems reasonable to expect some rankings to drop.
For example, a fixed amount of PR distributed among 10 pages will probably allow you to get higher SERP rankings than the same amount of PR distributed among 50 pages. However, the thought is that you will be able to receive more traffic from the 50 pages. However, it is probably a bit optimistic to expect 5 times the amount of traffic.
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