Google Update or Fresh Tag Returns - Everflux

[dvduval]

I sure hope I'm right. I know you guys don't like false starts, but I'm showing updates on all 6 sites that I maintain.
The "site:" search function is turning up a lot of new pages.

[jady]

The update just settled and we see no movement on either www,www2,www3 since...

[agerhart]

Sorry, no formal update, but there have been reports of alot of "fresh" listings (so to speak), new pages, new listings, and shuffles.

[nancyb]

I don't think this is an update, way too soon after the last one. It is probably just the normal shifting that occurs every month.

If you have made any chages to the pages you are seeing, check the cached page from the serp with the cached page resulting from site:yourdomain.com (term). Mine are totally different and the one in site:, I believe, is the one from the last actual index.

[dvduval]

If possible, maybe a moderator might change my post title to Many Fresh Pages. And I totally agree. I am seeing a ton of fresh pages, even on a small site with PR 3.

added: Thanks for the Title change.

[edited by: dvduval at 10:50 pm (utc) on Aug. 28, 2002]

[nutsandbolts]

There is certainly a bigger jump in the amount of Fresh! sites listed. Lovely! Great for those new sites people may have!

[rfgdxm1]

Due to minor tweaking of my main site's home page since the last update on 2 different occasions it has been updated in the cache since the last update.

[Chico_Loco]

Perhaps its just me, but I've been getting a lot of pages straight into the index almost immediately after they get spidered..

Could it be that Google is attempting the "Constant Updating Index".. where pages that are spidered are immediately added (or almost immediately!)

[PaulPaul]

If we had consistant re-indexing, that would be excellent.

Users could perform a search on daily events. For example, searching on today's news, and finding sites that have content related to that news article.

This would really attract more users to SE's and hopefully raise all of our hits from the SE's. :)

[WebGuerrilla]

Could it be that Google is attempting the "Constant Updating Index".. where pages that are spidered are immediately added (or almost immediately!

They are doing that, and have been doing it off and on for several months. (I think I first saw it in May).

Just today, I saw a brand new site that got crawled for the very first time yesterday, (and it has not yet been listed in Y! or DMOZ)show up in Google SERPS.

[GoogleGuy]

WebGuerilla is right--we've been improving the freshness of our index for a while now. No surprises here. :)

"Mmmm, now with minty freshness in every SERP!" ;)

[NotNervous]

I certainly don't see any "minty freshness" today. What happened?

[olias]

Yeah strange that, this is one of the least minty fresh days I've seen this month. Oh well two day old pages are still pretty good. :)

[nancyb]

hmmm, some of the minty fresh pages have reverted back to month old pages again. I'm gone again :(

[SebastianX]

Some queries I monitor frequently became weird. On average the first 20 results are index spam, followed by the former results. I mean spam, not affiliate sites. Script generated, keyword stuffed pages, poorly translated in different languages, all redirecting to gambling or adult sponsors. Crappy adult galleries targeting non-adult keywords on free hosts like geocities. Misleading fraudulent doorway pages redirecting to popup hells ...

I assume these 'fresh' pages slipped right on the SERPs bypassing spam filters and PageRank calculation. GoogleGuy, I hope you have fresh tasty mint available soon ;)

[Slud]

GoogleGuy, will last crawled date stamps continue to be displayed alongside the listings in search results, or should I take to date-stamping my pages instead (so I can see the last crawled date in the cache)?

[Grumpus]

I was noticing that fresh dates vanished for most of the day, but they are back now. Some of my pages lost the tag while others gained it. Interestingly, even while the date tags were gone, the other pages were still coming up using a "daterange" search. They're definitely tweaking some stuff over there. Kewlio!

G.

[semiaziz]

ah, it's nice. Went from #11 for my primary phrase last month to #16 after this last update to #8 today. Very nice. Very happy. Most pleased. Rather happified. Going to eat some nice cheese.

[Consumer Info]

Does anyone remember that little tool that will list all of your fresh pages?

[Marcia]

>remember that little tool

I don't recall that at all, it may have been removed. We can't post tools that query Google, out of respect for their Terms of Service; it's in the forum charter...

I haven't seen it in Google Advanced Search, but if you do a search for the last refresh date, like today 31 Aug 2002 it'll bring up over 4 million pages. The ones at the beginning have the date in the title, but further in it's just the refresh date.

Try it with www.yourdomain.com + 31 Aug 2002 and that should work for you, though it will bring up your pages plus other refreshed pages that have the URL on them.

[stuntdubl]

<whispers an aside to marcia>......
out of curiousity...
may i ask why the charter does not allow google query tools? is there a place that i can get information on these?

[GoogleGuy]

<GoogleGuy whispers to stuntdubl>
Google doesn't like automatic tools because they put a load on our servers, and we'd rather serve those results up to humans and not bots. I think WebmasterWorld has that policy because folks want to be polite about not hitting engines too hard.

[Marcia]

<=== whispers back to stuntdubl
We were getting spammed to death with them, for one thing. What the charter says"

No Tools site urls please The explosion of Google related free and commercial site tools has opened a flood gate of url dropping to "tools" sites. Therefore, we request you don't post links to "Google tools" (there are dozens if not hundreds of them now as a result of the Google API).

And here's what the Google Terms of Service [google.com] says about it:

You may not take the results from a Google search and reformat and display them, or mirror the Google home page or results pages on your Web site. You may not "meta-search" Google.

It's a Google no-no. They respect our TOS and we respect theirs. And then, let's not forget...

If you want to make commercial use of the Google Search Services, you must enter into an agreement with Google to do so in advance. Please contact us for more information.

<winking at stuntdubl>
How I see it: Page Rank is worth big bucks these days. We have a lot of super-savvy promoters around here who know the value of a good link. First, offer a free popular tool, drop URLs to get traffic and the PR to raise their ranking and then sell STUFF. ;)

Added:
Sorry GoogleGuy, your post got in before I hit Submit, while hitting your server doing TOS research.

[Marcia]

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