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New PR penalty

anyone else seen it?

         

Abrexa_UK

1:23 am on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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One of our sites that reached a PR6 last month has dropped to a PR2 this month.

Recorded backward links are down from 536 last month (from many different sites) to 0 in WWW2&3. The Yahoo and ODP links are nowhere to be seen (it has 2 links in each of these directories).

Nor is the site appearing in the list of backward links for sites that it links to.

Interestingly, the number of indexed pages from the site is up slightly on WWW2&3, so this isn't because the server was down (no down time for the last 6 months).

The site hasn't had the content updated in around 5 months (no need for an update), so it isn't a site change that has caused this.

Has anyone else seen a new spam detection algorithm in place?

Once again, I am made aware of how dangerous Google is - it simply isn't reliable enough for businesses to depend on it, yet it is the only source of free mass traffic. :(

Abrexa_UK

4:18 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Having thought about this some more, I don't see how we are going to work out what is causing the penalty, given that nothing has changed on the site for about 4 months or so.

I think that Google could make some friends by announcing changes that are coming up in the algorithms. For example, if they are intending to penalise sites using a new linking tool (Zeus) for example, then they could place it into the "forthcoming changes" section to give webmasters the chance to remove the offending items.

If Google treated their algorithm updates like software updates and documented the changes that webmasters need to know, it would make our lives a lot easier. I would have thought that it is better to get compliance from webmasters than enforcing unannounced penalties with no explanation. Just a thought.

meannate

4:44 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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And give away the reciepe for their secret sauce?

mayor

5:10 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Abrexa, I really doubt your slow loading page had anything to do with getting PR0. You probably have something on your site, or the sites you link to, that Google doesn't like and it just took them months to find it or to check up on a spam vigilante's report on your "violation".

My experience indicates that once you've got the boot your site will never regain the traffic. The boot is often the kiss of death. If I were you I would probably start fresh with a new URL and new host after cleaning up your site.

Abrexa_UK

7:54 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mayor, I am not sure what you mean by "slow loading page"?

Nor did I mention a PR0. The site in question is an old site unrelated to Abrexa. As I said, it went up to PR6 last month, but has dipped to PR2 this month.

The most obvious problem seems to be that Google has removed it from the link pool so to speak - hence it doesn't appear to have any incoming or outgoing links, despite the fact that they are all pages indexed by Google.

And this isn't the boot either, since all of the site pages are in there. This is partly why I am confused by it. It hasn't been dropped and it hasn't been PR0'd. I presume that you are right and that this is indeed a penalty for some spam or other. I will check it out and see if I can spot the problem.

Thanks

mayor

10:24 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A million apologies, Abrexa_UK, I was reading a different thread, the one on "Recovering from PR0". I left the tread to log in to make a reply to that one and somehow opened yours instead and made an awfully out-of-context post. Please ignore my reply.

shewhoguards

11:45 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, looking at the results I'm seeing the very fact it hasn't been updated for 4 months might be your reason. Most of the sites I'm seeing on my keywords right now have been updated in at least the last couple of months, and a bunch of "dead" sites which were months out of date are gone

Abrexa_UK

12:50 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps we should put a Moreover news feed on the front page to make sure that it is different every day ;)

It certainly isn't a dead site by any means - just one that only needs updating every 6 months or so. I guess that now is a good time then...

giggle

9:45 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Abrexa

I don't know if geographic locations has anything to do with it, but your home page shows as a PR5 over here in Thailand.

Abrexa_UK

11:41 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks giggle, but I was referring to another site completely (one of our old unrelated sites). Abrexa UK is hopefully moving up to a PR6 this month :)

Brad

11:50 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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shewhoguards, may be on to it. Google may have downgraded blogs a bit, but they seem to favor fresh sites with more frequent updates.

That may be a part of it.