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I am surprised !

My first design reach No.1 ranking

         

kch333

3:46 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I start to learn frontpage and design my first page, but the google seems like my desgin so much and give me No.1 ranking. Anybody could tell me why?

I search "barcodeprinter" and I get the first.

frank

jatar_k

3:52 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld kch333,
take a look at paynt's welcome post [webmasterworld.com]

You might want to take a look at the TOS [webmasterworld.com] in regards to url posting.

I do not mean to belittle what you have achieved but I am not sure how heavily searched that keyphrase will be. G! even offers a respell with a space in the middle. I am sure though that over time you can get even more #1's.

<added>We try to deal with cases in a more general sense

[edited by: jatar_k at 4:24 pm (utc) on July 11, 2002]

hurlimann

3:54 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Because you use the term "barcodeprinter". Google only finds 430 sites. As you use the term a few times on the site and in the URl u get to be NO1.

Use the usual term "barcode printer" and Google finds 98,000 terms. Your url is then not No1.

incywincy

3:58 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi frank,

it appears that the search term barcodeprinter is not very competitive. uk altavista only returned 2 results, dmoz returned 1 and google reurned 410 results.

you will be successful with this level of competition if you use titles, headings, domain names etc containing this search term.

now if you search for 'barcode printer' you will find over 95,000 results returned by google. that is a lot more competitive than the term you searched on!

nevertheless a good result for your first result.

rmjvol

3:59 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld, kch333.

A couple reasons why your site ranks #1 on that phrase:
1st, there are only 430 other sites that contain that unique word. So very little competition for that phrase.
2nd, Google doesn't consider that a properly spelled word. Notice at the top of the results page in red :"Did you mean: (key word)"

In general, the more competition for a word or phrase, the harder to rank well. You're experiencing the converse, less competition, easy to rank well.

You might want to read through the WebmasterWorld usage agreement.
[webmasterworld.com...]
Signatures aren't allowed and specific urls are usually not allowed. The forum operates more in a general discussion manner. If you'd like someone to know your url, you can add it in your profile.

rmjvol

rmjvol

4:01 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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4 replies in 14 minutes.
c'mon guys, we can do better than that :)

kch333

3:38 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for everybody.

But under such condition, there would be a problem, many persons use two words with no space, and google cannot tell from it?
For the buyer from manufactures, they treat barcodeprinter as a word, not two words.

I think , there are must more other similiar cases.

kch333

mack

4:15 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps in the industry that you are involved with it may be acceptable to have it as one word.
Becuase google doesnt find many pages containing it (as one word) it offers the spell check thing and offers the two word version. When google finds the one word varient starting to apear a lot it may stop the spell check procedure.

Im sure no one was trying to make small of your achievment and I for one wish you all the best.

rmjvol

4:29 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mack, I really don't think that's how Google's spelling correction works. I've seen plenty of cases where there are a ton of references to two alternate spellings. Google clearly is treating one as correct regardless of frequency of usage.

Me: search for "web site"
Google: Did you mean: "website"

I've also gotten autocorrect when both mine & Google's suggestion turn up zero results.

rmjvol

Hunter

4:44 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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kch333, stick around wmw for a while and you won't have to worry about which term you rank well for because you'll begin to rank well for all of them...persistance, that's the key.

Beachboy

5:45 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Leave it to Google to improve everybody's seplling.

mack

5:51 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Rmjvol

I think you may be right about google. That was just a stab in the dark about how the corection feature works. The site I run contains three words joined to make one (in the domain name) I remember about 2 years ago AV used to offer the three seperate words in a corected spelling. After it had started to index all of my site it stopped ofering the sugestion. perhaps it stops offering the suggestion if there is a domain that uses them. I know google will almost certainly work different.

who knows :) GG where are you!

WebGuerrilla

6:20 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I really don't think that's how Google's spelling correction works. I've seen plenty of cases where there are a ton of references to two alternate spellings.

Actually, I think Mack is right. The spelling correction seems to be based on most common usage. But to get an accurate look at it you need to do an exact match search.

An odd example of it is my nick. Searching for the two words with a space will produce over 100k results, but google will think you mispelled it. It's kind of odd since the nick isn't a real word, but if you do the same search again with quotes, you find that there are far fewer pages that contain the two words with a space.

WebmasterWorld is the cause of this. The number of pages that contain my nick are high enough to convince Google that the nick is an actual word.

If kch333 were to change his nick to barcodeprinter and the spend the next year posting here every day, I'd be willing to bet that spell check feature would reverse. :)

tedster

8:51 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A note of encouragement -- you can have a very successful site and never compete on the big words at all.

Get a lot of number ones on longer phrases and alternate spellings -- pick the ones that can each bring you at least some traffic and get lots of them. It is easier to do this, and once you have a lot of "low competition" #1 spots happening, you won't lose your traffic every time the Google wind blows from a new direction.

ciml

9:55 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's very interesting, WebGuerilla. So Frank needs 10,500 more pages containing the word barcode...

Tedster, I couldn't agree more. I'd much rather be listed top under a bunch of infrequently searched phrases than on page 50 of the results for a very popular phrase.

IanTurner

9:57 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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kch333 - does barcodeprinter convert to hits to the site? and if it does then does this convert into enquiries for the business?

These are the two main factors that you have to consider.

There are no pirzes in this game for #1 positions just for sales.

NFFC

10:05 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Congrats kch333, a #1 is a #1!

Be careful though, it gets addictive. :)

kch333

10:43 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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1. I don't know how many person know this page by searching. Because this site is just for fun. Our compnay produce barcode equipment in Taiwan and we have formal site.

2. but our competitor find the page immediately even our formal site have no link to this exercise work, they find it,and find the page is not so friendly to describe them, they want to make sue to us, ( I removed the critical page already).

3. I beleive only that our vocation use the word to search, it is easy to understand: use two words get too much result, use one word would be a good choice.( you can test: bar code printer, 3 words would return much much more results)

so, here could everybody tell me your usage habit,you american use which method to find such product, if only 10% don't use space, than I still WIN.

frank (It's funny to study SEARCHING)