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Congratulate Me! First Time I Got Greyed Out!

3 years of SEO and I finally got hated on by Google

         

djmad_wax

6:24 pm on Jul 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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haha if I hadn't been reading this board for over a year I would have panicked. Nothing different this period, no change in technique yet for the first time my clients entire site is out of the google database!

Who's gonna pour the champagne?

mad wax

Brett_Tabke

10:57 am on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sure, Google will follow cgi links. The less complex the link, the better. The only problem is in links that contain session tracking numbers/codes and change from visit to visit.

ciml

11:41 am on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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fathom, that directory site has a link like that for each listing. Googlebot is hitting the 'report bad link' URL, not the 'bad link has been reported' URL.

Still, server problems are the most likely.

Red5

11:48 am on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Now that is insane!!!! Ha!

fathom

11:58 am on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Don't figure - I'm wrong but am probably right?

ciml

12:33 pm on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Right idea, wrong reasoning fathom. That's a sign of true genius.:)

Red5, don't worry. The URL is the page from which you can report a dead link to that directory, not actually the submission.

Beachboy

4:15 pm on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Andy04031:

"I ask me one question - if you guys have nothing in the code that's spamming why are you always worry about PRO? Don't spamm and you can forget about PRO."

SEOs are just naturally very susecptible to guilt. Everything we do is targeted toward winning the search engine game. The problem is, did we make our manipulation appear innocent enough? ;)

wasmith

1:41 am on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>> I ask me one question - if you guys have nothing in the code that's spamming why are you always worry about PRO?

Its easy (and shameful) to have a good link that goes bad. I had a link to a good site once that had content but I guess was not making money. the site closed but the domain was quickly picked up by (i dont want to say it) another site. I was sending many visitors aday to that site. I was emailed by a conserned visitor within less than a week and corrected my site.

But i also have dusty pages that get less than 5 visits a day and have external links. Makes me think sometimes that PR0 may be my quickest way of knowing i am linking to a bad neiborhood. Anyways i now link deep linking better to linking to a home page (if the site changes hands i will send visitors to a 404 page).

bcc1234

2:05 am on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sure, Google will follow cgi links. The less complex the link, the better. The only problem is in links that contain session tracking numbers/codes and change from visit to visit.

Session id - maybe, always changing - does not mean a thing.

I have a site that is completely dynamic and ALL pages change with EVERY request and it's been indexed just fine.

feeder

3:39 am on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What does it mean if:

you have a new site
you get PR6
you get delisted
you get relisted with PR5
you get delisted (again)
you get relisted with no PR ("not listed in Google")

Personally, I have no idea, but it's giving me a headache. Anyone else?

ciml

11:12 am on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here are some possibilities, Feeder.

* Redirect confusion.
* Duplicate confusion.
* Your server was down briefly during two of those crawls and people who link to you are penalised (some penalties allow the penalised page to have PR, but not pass it on).
* You are penalised

#3 seems unlikely from PR6 to PR0, I guess you have a few links.

feeder

9:15 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's the strange thing. I hardly have any links that I know of. The site is new (barely a month old) yet it received a PR6 almost straight away.

The only "optimization" is the presence of keywords in the title tags. If bad linkers are linking to me, I'm certainly not aware of it.

I do provide an RSS feed. I wonder if that has something to do with it?

fathom

9:27 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That helps. Your orginal PR was a guessament on the google bar. Since google doesn't penalize new sites this usually gives an inflated and somewhat fictional reading.

Links (PR0) to you won't hurt (they just don't help any)

I doubt there is anything wrong... wait an update or two since your site is new and google has unlikely indexed the complete site you are bound to see flucuations.

feeder

9:33 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Fathom. That would seem to be the case.

I did wonder about the RSS. I provide a newsfeed. Could Google see this as duplicate content because my content appears on various other sites?

feeder

9:38 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hehe...I looked at it this morning and I'm back to PR6.

Anyone prepared to guess how long that will last? :)

fathom

10:05 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This may help a bit to roughly calculate a fairly accurate PR level.

Number of backlinks and quality of backlinks (their PR level) will determine yours.

fewer than 100 backlinks will be pr 5 or below
100-500 range = pr 6, occassionally 5 or 7
500-3000 range = pr 7, occasionally 6 or 8
3000-12000 = pr 8, occasionally 7 or 9
12000-50000 = pr 9, sometimes 7 or 9
above 50000 = pr likely 9 or 10, occasionally 8

ADDED>>> number of undirected links (per page) to you will decrease the PR superimposed to you as well as any outbound links from your page.

Beachboy

11:08 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Fathom,

Well there are exceptions. For instance, you might well have a site ranked in a high level category at ODP, where the category PR is, say, 7 or 8. The site itself might very well pull down PR 6 or 7 with very little else in the way of inbound links. Happens. :)

fathom

11:17 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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True but rare.

Now that I think about it though, all that needs to happan is a PR0 site to be submitted and accepted.

This occurs quite often at DMOZ.org, since actual PR isn't part of the submission policy.

feeder

11:29 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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fathom

11:37 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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OK WHO DELETED FEEDER!

He was a good blog, and will be sadly missed.

Beachboy

11:48 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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All right, let's take up a collection for some flowers, then we'll all go dig a hole.

feeder

11:51 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Erm...I deleted myself. I did make a reply, but realised I was talking rubbish, so I "self moderated". The software wouldn't accept a blank body field.

fathom

12:05 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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And I was thinking you did it just to be a preferred member.

Congradulations feeder!

feeder

12:12 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey, you're right! "Preferred". I like the sound of that :)

Beachboy

1:07 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Congratulations, Feeder. :)
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