Results switching: Major results changes past two days

[steveb]

My search results on the two keywords I check every day changed yesterday. I had been settled on www www2 and www3 for a few days, but then yesterday I moved from 26 to 18, and from 5 to 1 on two keywords.

I haven't seen others comment on changes in the past 48 hours, so I've been (pleasantly) surprised that there was movement post-crawl.

[dogboy]

>Daddy Google/Junior Google

...rofl... is this how you explained it to your daughter? hehehe ...or was it the other way around?

[taxpod]

I've been a 6 forever and today after looking through this thread I checked my PR and low and behold I am now a 7. But I suppose that won't last. It's just a wrinkle in the Matrix.

I also suppose it doesn't matter too much when I consider that everyone above me in the serps is now an 8! Figures!

[tankman]

yeah me too.

Almost all my sites have jumped up a pr this week. I wondered if maybe my main site jumped in pr and because it linked to the others, they were affected too? or it could be a temporary shuffling bug :(

[rjohara]

Sudden jump for me just now on www. Several new pages appeared and many others listed with fresh dates of 9 June.

[rjohara]

And before I even had a chance to read through the list of pages to see what had changed they were gone. :(

[wasmith]

It was nice while it lasted :(

[ggrot]

Yup. I noticed today that a site of mine went from PR6 to PR7. I hadn't been watching it since the last dance, where the PR hadn't changed. Quite a surprise as I've never seen PR move without a dance announcement. Also a surprise b/c its the first site i've ever gotten above a 6.

[Beachboy]

Way to go, Ggrot. Gimme a link. ;)

[brotherhood of LAN]

Seems like some PR alterations are happening then ;) maybe?

Luckily my home page PR of 7 has spread to a 2nd level page......may the "infection" continue ;)

Question as to why google may "alter" the scale of PR. Would it be anything to do with compensating for PR0 sites or a fluctuation in their database size?? From my time at WMW it seems that during two particular updates.....PR has had some sort of "frameshift" observed by members here.

[Mark Candiotti]

Does anyone know the extent to which you must change your site/page before Google regards it an a significant enough update to MAINTAIN a "continual" crawl/indexing? Thanks.

[brotherhood of LAN]

/added

I see Yahoo has a PR10 again, maybe thats why some people are noticing increased PR.

[dogboy]

>Question as to why google may "alter" the
>scale of PR.

....a fluctuation in size of their db, imho.

[Mark Candiotti]

I've asked this question twice - in different ways - and no one touches it. Have I come across something?

[Marcia]

>>Does anyone know the extent to which you must change your site/page before Google regards it an a significant enough update to MAINTAIN a "continual" crawl/indexing?<<

Mark, I don't think anyone's come up with a definitive answer. I've got one thats NEVER changed, and it's maintaining a continual crawl & indexing. Another changes several times a week and it gets once a month.

[ciml]

Marcia:
> I've got one thats NEVER changed, and it's maintaining a continual crawl & indexing.

I can't claim to have studied this meticulously, but among the pages I host it doesn't seem to make a siginificant difference if they get updated often. The 'fresh' crawling seems to be due to off-page factors.

[MarkHutch]

Of our sites, the only ones that are fresh crawled are listed in DMOZ and Yahoo...

[wasmith]

>> I've asked this question twice - in different ways - and no one touches it. Have I come across something?

You have come accross something interesting. Personally I liked it when Yahoo was PR11.

But more than the change in PR i am seeing a change in SERPs from 22 to 18 on a key phase that i am been wondering away from (not because it is bad but because there are easier phases with more traffic).

Anyways keep asking the question! yes you are on to something! But i am affraid i don't have an answer to your question. But i have also noticed it and maybe with enough opinions we can rectify and narrow in on exactly what it is and how it can help us in getting targeted traffic to our websites.

<read between the lines> Targeted traffic is the only kind that makes sence for most websites.</>

[andrea99]

My site has been crawled several times in the past seven days. It has less than six or seven links to it that I'm aware of, and of these only one has a PR of 4 or 5. I think the rest are 3 or less. The site has existed at its current URL only since 27/Apr/02, was crawled only twice at its previous URL (members.aol.com) in Apr '02. I do change several of its 14 pages almost daily. The AOL site is still indexed and still exists in spite of my having cancelled my AOL account 30 days ago. With regard to it all--go figure.

My serps on the word "andilinks" (my domain name) varies daily between 80-96, up from 13 in April, seems erratic. Many of these are my forum posts under that name, a few are coincidental foreign language results.

Andi

[Mark Candiotti]

Thanks, all, for your help and insight. Just before the last update, I added about 50 pages to my site. Then, during the update, I was tweaking my home page a bit. EVERY one of these tweaks showed up within 12-24 hours with the date shown also at the end of my description. This went on for several days until I AND the update stopped. I had thought the fresh crawling might have been an anomoly due to the update, but have since come to believe it was probably the updating. In any event, I'd like to get it (the fresh crawling) back - and keep it! - thus the question. By the way, the site is in both DMOZ and Yahoo! with a PR of 5.

[jady]

On www we are position 4 for our choice keywords, on www2/www3 we are moved up a spot!

:)

New site of ours also in www2/www3? Is the dance on?

[jady]

Addedndum - link:www.mysites.com hasnt changed abit, and out inbound links have greatly changed - I think I agree with Marcia and Brett in the beginning of this forum.

[rjohara]

There was more Google digestion going on this evening. The number of pages indexed on one of my sites dropped for a few hours and then came back up with half a dozen "fresh" caches (today's date). No changes in important things like inbound links, etc. Just another Everflux Event.

[andrea99]

Well this is truly bizarre, baby googlebot has some 'splainin' to do...

My abandoned AOL site (I cancelled my AOL account over a month ago) which I haven't touched since early May--it cannot possibly have any links to it, has developed a PageRank of 2... very weird.

Andi

[edited by: Marcia at 4:53 am (utc) on July 15, 2002]
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[Marcia]

Andi, it could be "guesswork" PR like a lot of ISP sites are, or there may be still some links to it.

I can open a new account at my ISP, upload pages, and they instantly show PR4, which they don't have at all.

[andrea99]

Well it HAS to be guesswork, I displayed the URL to show how utterly impossible it would be for a human to have made that call. That site *never* had any external links to it, and given its current headline no human would link to it. I'm thinking that the outgoing links with their search engine related content may have been a factor.

Andi

[zeus]

It is the first time I have seen that there is changes in www2,www3 for a whole month, it is as if the update hassent stoped this time I still get some different results from google and google in other contries.

A new cache of my web site I have seen, but now its back to the old.

zeus

[Marcia]

andi, there are plenty of places to access any site's location, it's a lot harder to hide than to get found:

From Google Webmaster Information [google.com]:

It is almost impossible to keep a web server secret by not publishing any links to it. As soon as someone follows a link from your "secret" server to another web server, it is likely that your "secret" URL is in the referer tag, and it can be stored and possibly published by the other web server in its referer log. So, if there is a link to your "secret" web server or page on the web anywhere, it is likely that Googlebot and other "web crawlers" will find it.

[andrea99]

Marcia quotes Google:
"it is likely that Googlebot and other "web crawlers" will find it. "

Well, true. I find lots of wonderful and bizarre referrals in my stats. I was not so much surprised by being found, but by being awarded a PageRank 2 for a site that is headlined: "Andilinks has moved to http..." A site that has been abandoned and orphaned by me for over a month now. :)

[danny]

andrea: if you have outgoing links, you may acquire incoming ones because of sites that publish links to refering pages automatically.

[andrea99]

Yes, this might explain the PageRank on that page I suppose, still it's very odd. I hope this discussion is adding to the general knowledge about the nature of Googledom. I often find referrer URLS on my website's stats that truly puzzle me. Organizations that I never linked to, big companies and entites (even loc.gov/index.. nothing short of the Library of Congress.) Yet when I visit those sites, linking directly to the referring URL on my stats page, my link is nowhere to be found. Well cyberspace sure is a wonderful place.

Andi